Citizen journalist LoyarBurokker Pamela Lim was stopped by the police while on the road. Unhappy with the their conduct she whipped out her phone and started video recording the two police officers. How did the police react? Watch it here @ LoyarBurok.com via our YouTube channel WayangLoyarBurok.
What really happens when the police stops a woman and the woman whips out a camera to film them?
Can the police take your I.C. and not give it back? Were they threatening and intimidating me?
Watch to find out and give your comments.
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Pamela Lim is driven by her fervent spirit for adventure, her inquisitive nature for wildlife and her intrinsic values for doing the right thing. As a result, she has been “dipped” in hot soup and cool oceans alike. She makes a living by teaching others to live their dreams through diving while documenting memories through photography from the travel trade; at times, sending her out to recce currents and paths less trodden. With God all things are possible. Follow her tweets @pummkin.
Pamela,you are too much. They are good if you cooperate! I have experience, I just say I am wrong and apologize,they let me go.
Wow! The lady sure sounds very cocky. Taking on the policemen who certainly aren't proficient in English, seems like hitting below the belt. There is nothing to be proud of especially if you're Malaysian.
The naked truth is ..,
1. we all have it up to our neck with the Malaysian Police, and
2. we sure do not need another glamour seeking bitch like Pam
Can someone familiar with PDRM uniforms confirm if those worn by the gentlemen are authentic? Which division of the PDRM?
While every1 debating the above nonsense, all fail to understand 1 thing. Never challenge the PDRM. Roadblock without proper set up, hide under the tree after a road junction and these are all very common sight. But remember 1 thing, never challenge the POLIS even you are right because of this sentence, "Pantang di cabar!" We are living in BolehLand, live with it!
Aiyoh!
I don't think Pamela is a loyar lah. think anyone who writes for loyarburok is a loyarburrokers
II police can summon u but doesn't mean u r wrong. When u accept summon don't mean u wrong. If like that means no need go to court. Police only think u r wrong so they saman. U can accept but under protest. Not relevant whether u admit u wrong or not.
III kindly don't attack Pam persoanally. U may not like things but comment on issues not race or colour or language or gender pls. Have we gone so bad that we can only talk about issues thru race religion etc?
IV let's demand more from police and all govt agencies. We pay them to run our country
Tan you sure are a pussy
rbk, Pam was stationary all the time while using the phone. Why you could not see that. She was merely recording – the policeman had no right to make any comment. We have seen (in movies) how the police in America respond. They will just remain cool and will not get into and argument or discussion. In Singapore, if you were stopped for an offence, they will inform you of the offence, thereafter they will turn deaf. These 2 mata-mata just got scared or tryning to show their power.
Well intentioned but next time use a hidden camera… your holding the phone to video capture, introduced an extra element in this already convoluted saga, escalating things even further.
They have your home address. Watch our back !
I agree with all who have given their comments.
Both parties just had their bad day, i thought. In this case there was no winner, but all losers.
I think the police has been guilty of talking too much. If the lady there has committed a traffic offence, just issue her a summon. If she wanted to video tape it, give her the sweet smile, wasn't that the best opportunity for the policemen to show the world that they can carry out their duties professionally? This would have been a once in a million chance to the policemen to improve their ratings. But instead their they chose to show their rowdy ways. Much has been said in the past about how the police conducted themselves. Now its been taped.
Pam, be cool, I don't think yuo are feeling any happier after this episode. Patience is a virtue. :)
Hari ini 4 peguam muda/pelatih dalam kamar ditangkap kerana mengedar risalah berkenaan hak hak rakyat bila ditangkap polis.
Mgp polis tidak boleh menerima bahawa rakyat mempunyai hak hak yang mesti dibela?
Dan polis tidak boleh menerima bahawa Majlis
Peguam mempunyai tanggungjawab statutori di bawah seksyen 42 Akta Guaman Undang Undang untuk mendidik rakyat berkenaan hak hak rakyat?
Pamela did admit her guilt to the so called cops. Once she had admitted(her guilt), the so called law enforcers had to issue the summons and return her IC and driving licence, period.
The so called cops had no right to force her to go to the balai and refuse the return of her identification documents.
To all those dumbos who think otherwise, your PDRM at that instance were fishing for duit kopi.
Kudos Pam. You are a lioness my lady.
Loyar Burokker (6.04pm & 6.39pm) : Yes, absolute power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And, yes, I am all for the creation of IPCMC. The reasons why IPCMC cannot be established is because this body is and independent body who will be chaired by someone who's not from the police force itself. In addition, these members are made up from vary of bodies. Hence, it is understood why there are apprehension from the then IGP, Tan Sri Musa (as i remember correctly).
Having said that, my hats off to the lawyers who fight for the rights of those who have been unfairly treated by the police force.
and yes, it is good for Loyar Burok to highlight the necessary but i still have reservations on this video recorded by the author :)
You have commited an offence, using handphone while driving, not respecting the law & yet you try to intimidate them. You do not sound frighten at all. If you really respect the law, just check the date & offence stated in the summon, signed the summon & get back your ic & driving license. You are not a victim in this particular case. Shame on you.
Who is this pamela lawyer? This seems like an entrapment on the police with commentary. Anyhow since were putting people in each others shoes, put yourself in the police officer's shoes also. What happens when people become difficult during traffic summons. What happens if the person refuses to roll down the windows? What happens if this pamela girl refuses to stop her car? It seems all unjustified why she is being difficult to these policemen.
Being in pamela's shoes, i still dont get why she had to be difficult to these policemen. Granted she knows her rights, was is in any way wrong for her to just cooperate with them? For policemen out on the streets, approaching a car can also be a dangerous thing, what if the person tries to ram you? Or pulls out a gun or in this case a camera? She could have just cooperated. Its partly yes the policemen's fault in also being intimidated by this girl but sometimes training can only go so far.
Who is rude again? (6.12pm) We need the IPCMC really. As law practitioners, we feel ashamed with the police's internal disciplinary mechanism. Your advice is correct and valid – we should in the ideal world make a complaint about them but we have advised clients over and over again about this and complaints are made but nothing comes of it. In fact the complainants are later harassed and pressured to withdraw their complaints. Why? Because your peers or subordinates are supposed to investigate you – your friend – you who served with him or her for the past how many years. Really. And unless u ask the lawyers who are in cahoots with the cops – all lawyers will tell u those they have dealt with of the same experiences. Let's all take heed from this video. And please everyone should start documenting and send in videos of respected and professional cops too so that we will be able to say good things about them and praise them as good examples. We have to give respect where it is due.
Read through some of the comments, just how is recording an act of intimidation? Unless, of course, the police have something ugly under their sleeves.
Recording a breach on privacy? The police is on official duty. There is no privacy to be held there, policing is a public service, and the policy they conduct their duties is transparent.
Police confiscating of IC & license, these are personal properties, do they have the right to keep the public ICs to force them to go to the station with them? Perhaps somebody can enlighten us on this…from the Police Act (if any)?
Provocation from Pam? Police shd just stay focused and do their job. It is the police who was the initiator, not her. Something wrong with her driving, issue the summon, else just be gone. Can you stop anyone from saying whatever they want? Pam may be rude, how is that in any way related on the reason why she was stopped?
I agree with Helmie…
The uniform looks dodgy… I urge that Pamela lodge a police report. Nothing BAD has happened to her (yet), so why let her fear bar her from making a REAL police report, unless of course, she knew she hasn't got the upper-hand!
Thanks Pam for showing us what to do the next time a policeman harass us. This is really quick-thinking and it has happened to many motorist before; we are at the mercy of the authorized policeman who flag us for any reasons.
We are expected to follow their every instruction without questioning if it is against our rights. This folly has led to cases where the victims were raped or robbed by "bogus" cops. We hope the legal fraternity will shed some light on what the police can or cannot do in such and other situations when we are apprehended for eg. Bersih organized rallies or peaceful candlelight gatherings.
The video does highlight the lack of professional conduct where they had acted out their frustrations and displeasure of being recorded instead of doing their job properly. Would a refresher training be in order before releasing them into the streets for duty again? I hope MP Tony Pua will give a statement soon after conferring with the authorities as this happened on his PJ Barat constituency.
to be fair, i think if you have done something wrong, accept the summon and move on… i am 100% against victimization but i don't see in the video that they are do that on you.
Loyar Burokker: I agree with ur comment stated at 5.58 pm but your last line is not applicable to Ms Pamela's case as I cautiously believe that she has gone overboard albeit the behaviour shown by the two officers.
Pamela: If you are reading this. If you feel strongly of them, having intimidated you as per your video recording. I would advise you to lodge a report to the Internal Affaird Bureau at Bukit Aman. As far as Im concerned, this Bureau have a distinct attire, yellow long sleeve shirt with tie and black pants. They are easily recognized. They will take necessary action if there is merit in any report lodge against their officers.
personally I don't think this is a real event. I believe this is a setup, a planned drama created just to make some headlines about Royal Malaysian Police.
it was clear that those two policeman doesn't wear appropriate uniform, noticed on their helmets, badges, name tags, belts and boots. people with knowledge about Royal Malaysian Police uniforms should know that.
if this was real, don't bother to take video, just proceed to the nearest police station and make the report about whatever you claimed and let their higher authorities take the necessary action. don't create all this fuss without doing the right thing
Hi Pamela,
You are really smart to question / video taped the Police for their unprofessional work. Their police uniforms showed they are not Traffic Policemen ! They thought by intimating a 'helpless lady,' they can make some thing out of this situation. Why must they keep her I/C & driving licence, and not issue the summon right away ? They even demanded her to go to Police station without stating her offence ?
Nowadays, we cannot tell between the Police and robbers ! Even Police Inspector, robbed people using gun ! BUT one thing for sure, they are acting like Polis Raja Di-Malalysia, and not PDRM of the 80's under Tun Hannif.
Ms. Pamela, we are with you. If you need any help, do voice it out, we are behind you.
Saya N'Anti-Rasuah
Korup
These cops themselves break the law by witholding her IC & driver's license, yet you ask us to respect them? Why didn't the cops return them to her immediately after recording her details but instead keep them in his pocket? Isn't this a clear abuse of power? The police should adhere to their operating procedures. Such kind of police earns no respect but disdain.
Pam, thanks for highlighting our citizens' rights & the ill-trained officers. I will keep a video camera next to me from now on.
i think those of you who said Pamela was wrong are a fool of hypocrisy and don't know what is law and the intimidation. Law is law but the police disrespect the public by saying too much and didn't follow protocol. This will caused more harmed to public. Many malaysians are still sleeping and have this " tidak apa" and "biadap" attitude to accept this normal bullying method. I support your action and principle here and hopefully you will recover from this trauma. People just don't know that we can sue the Police for traumatize us. We are living among idiots in malaysia and they are too stupid too understand this. Write to me if you need to search some peace .
this aregument started b4 taking video,whatever this,importent things both polis men and public should must respect one other so the peace this country.but the polis men most time very rude.in this vide we see police wasting time with this lady.
Pamela, Pamela, pamela….you broke the LAW….what are you trying to proof…? If you don't feel safe please migrate to Brazil…
Was Pam stopped for speeding?
Was she stopped because there was no road tax licence?
Was she stopped because her car does not appear road worthy?
Was she stopped because she was using hp while driving?
If none of the above applies, one can assume it was just a mere spot check.
If that is the case, why were her licence and IC taken which to me is an attempt to hold her at ransom.
So to all you police sympathisers, the lady was simply recording a situation intuitively as she may need some evidence to defend herself if the saga turns nasty. These guys are not traffic police and it is well known most of the time, they are trying to cari makan. They should be focusing on dealing with crimes rather than aiming at soft targets like the motorist. Syabas to Pam.
Dear all
Can we all just place ourselves in Pam's shoes? No one has dealt with my point that the police is the one which represents the State and has a great deal of power at their disposal. We have to face up to reality.
If I were in her shoes, I would be so scared I would not be able to even do what she did so kudos Pam!
(P/S: There were some comments about not signing the summons. View the video again please – note that there was a general reluctance to give the summons in the first place.)
Pamela,
There is such a thing as being right, and bright. But you have been NEITHER. You have committed an offence, and you are trying to buy your way out by provoking their anger?
And if you are a Malaysian, a young one at it, where is your Bahasa Malaysia, ie THE national language? Have you no pride in your NATIONAL LANGUAGE?
While I am NO fan of PDRM's, I know when it's my right, and when it's THEIRS. Please learn to respect the law BEFORE you demand any in return.
I praise the cops for such patience. I would've given you a hard time, had I been in THEIR shoes. (OH GAWD, I just UGUTed you!) SHEESH! Didn't your parents teach you some manners?
Since you have the video EVIDENCE, why did you get scared? Why not use the evidence AGAINST them? Why, you know you have been wrong, right? You know you DON'T have a case against them, right? Serves you right for being an error ID10T.
Wisen up, young lady. Don't think you have deserved a hero's garland… We need less pains like you on the road. (Actually, I might have honked or swore at you on the road! Hahahaha!)
after i saw the video,pamela and polismen both need to respect the law. even the polis need to understand the civil like us have the right to ask the polis,when i look the polis men looks like not the real one bcos ,identit, and behavior.pls sent him his kind behavior to tataterbit. i personaly meet this kind polis men many.
Who is rude again? Perhaps "intimidation" may mean different things for different people. And varying degrees of it may qualify as such whereas others may not. If the cops cant communicate then slowly and surely ask properly for clarification or to speak in BM. But look at how they are behaving – I would be afraid of course – like a bunch of thugs.
I think Malaysians tolerate a lot of this bad behaviour from the cops when it should not be the case. Of course not all police are bad.
Let us stand up for our rights please?!
Thousand of applause to Pam for having the courage to fight for her rights!!! I was stopped by police b4 and instead of issuing summons to me, they ask for 'duit kopi'. It was only after I continue insisted on summons that he gave up and issued me a summons. So much so for being the law enforcer.
samanekor,
"The police on the other hand wit their usual “standard operating procedure” phrase IKUT PERGI BALAI is not professional at all. is this an arrestable offence?? bloody hell it’s just summon matter la. Those rank n file officer do not know the law (i mean most of them are just form 5 dropouts frm some kampung we havent even heard of… so the way the react is also SOP ie being defensive."
i think the officer dont know what to do when she wrote something on the bill, that why he asked her to follow them to the balai… doesn't meant she need to be arrested.. probably she will be slap with obstruction of justice or menghalang tugas pegawai… by the higher ranking officer at the balai…
by the way, do you do you expect degree holder to be low ranking officer in the police force and patrol the street? what is wrong with form 5 dropout from donno where kampong? probably ur father/grandfather also darjah 6 dropout from donno where kampong too… doesnt meant that you're uni grad or droupout you have the right to belittle them… they're the one that you'll turn into when somebody broke into ur house or you're out of luck… those degree holder officers will be busy with other administration job etc etc..
Pamela on that day must have been hunting for a showdown with some policemen on the street, with her phone camera on stanby. Too bad she did not meet a more professional and experienced policeman. Those two were too in-experienced and were at a loss with such situation but they certainly did no such thing in the likes of intimidation. Most of the verbal threats came from Pamela. I am not too proud of the Malaysian Police and is not a great fan of theirs but in this particular incident, Pamela was the one all too prepared to provoke the policemen to make the slightest mistake in order for her to create a sensation. And that is not really fair.
Under The Police Act 1967 "police officer" means any member of the Royal Malaysia Police, thus shall perform such duties and exercise such powers as are by law imposed or conferred upon a police officer. That means irrespective which section in PDRM he belongs to, he has a power to issue a summon to a traffic offender.
The attitude shown by Pamela to the two police officers was not professional and much regretted. Why too much talking? Just sign the summon and go of. The sheet of summon is yours and you can throw it to a rubbish tin later, provided that you note the date and time your are required to go to court or to police station, failing which a warrant of arrest will be issued against you.
simple things here, the govenment spending millions of money for many project and masuk poket, but the as polis serven what happen to they uniform and helmet the policement wear looks likes no enough helmet project. pls look our country public serven.
Well, I think it is you Pamela who intimidated them in first place by writting on the summons and then with your good command in English. You know your rights for sure and all you need is to co-operate. You shoot a video infront of them and you think they will not get upset knowing you are up to something. Put yourself in their shoe and think what would you do??? The police didnt help themselves either by being inconsistent. You instigated and then trying to portray that you have been victimised but who are you to scribble on summon???..I dont support the police either but if you are at fault, just accept the summon and move on instead of putting a drama…
Katana,
Before getting angry and all, the reason why the police asked you take part in the ID parade is because there may be a related report lodged on a suspect who is physically similar to you or having the similar attributes. They have every right to do that.
PAMELA… you are such an annoyed to listen. No respect to the law at all. Shame on you. We are living in rule of law and please be respect to officers. With this such kind of attitude, you not just not respecting these officers, but as well all other public servants… SHAME ON YOU….
LoyarBurokker: Why did the police need to ask Pam to go back to the police station?
She scribbled at the summons. Does that warrant an investigation under S.186 of the Penal Code? Perhaps. I, myself, am not sure.
LoyarBurokker: Why could they not immediately have issued the summons and be off with it?
The whole drama cannot be resolved if the author had properly signed the summons. If you do not acknowledge it, tell them that you're not signing the summons but you will accept it so that you could contest it in the court of law when needed to.
Loyar Burokker: Suspicions abound immediately from the comments about bribes, duit kopi etc. Ask why these suspicions arise from a video clip like this? Surely there must be a reason – even for those who say the two policemen were right to act as they did?
The force have been aligned/stereotyped with asking for briberies, duit kopi etc. Thus, it is no suprise that the commentators ask the same.
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Section 21 of the Police Act spells the duty of the police. It may appear that S.21(3) is applicable in the author's situation but i would think that the reason of why the author was asked to go to the police station is because these two police may want to seek further instruction from their immediate superior or OCS, hence, the dialing of handphone by the L/Corporal as we can see towards the end of the video.
I agree that the police were being unprofessional although their nature of job demands them to be one. However, in ALL FAIRNESS to all the parties of the video, I do not think that the author was being courteous either. She refused to communicate in BM despite my hunch that she can speak decent BM.
IF you look at the first few minutes of the video, the author started to ask, are you threatening me? are you intimidating me? Like I said, the matter can be resolved quickly i.e sign/accept the summons – get out from the sticky situation.
But when the author started to instigate the matter further, admittedly, things got worsened by the exchange of words by all the parties in the video.
Are the police to be blamed? yes, to a certain extent for dilly dallying the incident.
Is the author to be blamed? yes, for causing unnecessary exchange of words from the point of signing the summons.
Do enforcement agencies in Msia need a revamp in terms of their SOP? Yes.
i dont know why, but im pretty annoyed listening to Pamela.
I think SHE was the one who tried to intimidate the police with the way she speaks. I guess you get treated with your own attitude.
The problem is the cops in Malaysia is given
too much power. I have been asked by police
to take part in an identification parade not
because I have done something but to make up
the numbers! They couldnt find enough so I
have to sub for some crooks. IGP or PIG if
you are reading this I am willing to see you
if you dont believe. Pukki mak polis Malaysia.
Why should taking video of the policemen cause aggravation? Pam has every legal right to do so as evidence if anything untowards may develops. Policemen are public servants, on duty and wearing uniforms, so there is NO issue of privacy. The police should just issue the summon and leave, period! Withoiding her IC & driver licence and asking her to go to the balai is totally unprofessional with an intent to intimidate.
Pam,
1) You would have been arrested in the UK for hindering the execution of duty by a public servant ie (writing in his book).
2) I am not sure what law u have broken to deserve the summons. But they did not handle the situation correctly and as one commentator stated, these guys have a right to arrest not issue traffic summons.
Overall, this is an attempt to seek attention and media circus.
I have fallen for it.
Dear Pope,
Your ignorance of Malaysian Civil Rights and Citizenship based on the tenants of the Constitution negotiated during independance is worthy of the decaying education that you have received in the post-1969 reform by the ultra Malays.
The police and the government work for the people. It is only in dictatorships and far right wing governments that require us to comply with the Boys in Blue or Brown (Nazi Germany 1934), but then you wouldnt know that.
The laws of the country are set up to protect the citizens not to intimidate them. You are clearly sheep. Go bleat in a corner.
Those "Boys in Blue" are probably Form 3 miscreants who are unworthy of truck driving for Alam Flora.
Ms Pam is not only brave but she was smart. No one is allowed to hold your identity card and force you to go to any police station unless you are being charged. She was not being charged. She would have been harrased, intimidated and bullied in the police station. Furthermore, she may been held against will by these men. I think you, Mr Pope, need to spend some time is a russian jail.
For everyone's info – this does not happen in the UK, Aus or US unless you are being charged for a crime.
Not paying a RM50 bribe was probably her biggest crime.
kerajaan kenalah bagi budget skit utk polis pakai motor besar skit.ini pakai kapcai….mana org nak respek. kesian polis.
Many of these comments against Pam are sidetracking the issues. Why did the police need to ask Pam to go back to the police station? Why could they not immediately have issued the summons and be off with it?
The police were wholly wrong to take the issue of documenting the incident as something which justifies their nasty behavior. Ignore the filming. In fact if they behaved themselves on film and showed how police personnel are supposed to act, they would be hailed as good cops doing their jobs well. More often than not, we dont have enough of these good cops.
Suspicions abound immediately from the comments about bribes, duit kopi etc. Ask why these suspicions arise from a video clip like this? Surely there must be a reason – even for those who say the two policemen were right to act as they did?
Did anybody notice the what the first officer said? During 30 to 40 Second section. He said "hak siapa…she said hak rakyat….then he said rakyat mana…then she replied rakyat Malaysia…then he made the sound errrrrr….as if she is not a full rakyat". For goodness sake she speaks Malay not with a Indonasia accent, her IC is with them…yet his tone is obvious that she is not the same rakyat. OMG see how this officer has been brought up to think that way.