Citizen journalist LoyarBurokker Pamela Lim was stopped by the police while on the road. Unhappy with the their conduct she whipped out her phone and started video recording the two police officers. How did the police react? Watch it here @ LoyarBurok.com via our YouTube channel WayangLoyarBurok.
What really happens when the police stops a woman and the woman whips out a camera to film them?
Can the police take your I.C. and not give it back? Were they threatening and intimidating me?
Watch to find out and give your comments.
LB: If you have trouble playing the video here, or would like to see more LoyarBurok videos, please go to our YouTube channel @ WayangLoyarBurok.
Pamela Lim is driven by her fervent spirit for adventure, her inquisitive nature for wildlife and her intrinsic values for doing the right thing. As a result, she has been “dipped” in hot soup and cool oceans alike. She makes a living by teaching others to live their dreams through diving while documenting memories through photography from the travel trade; at times, sending her out to recce currents and paths less trodden. With God all things are possible. Follow her tweets @pummkin.
you tough girl, iron lady. Proud of u. They are lack of training and manner. Need more discipline. God help us.
well ok, the policemen could have been a lot more courteous. hands down. but this bitch took it to a whole new level. " oh i'm so frightened. i'm not following u anywhere.. byeeeee! ". how i wish u're not a malysian..
@mas
Prove your fake-ness. Criminal. Oh, how about if the police is genuine. You are outdated, since 2008. Please read a lot before you put a statement.
Again to Mr. AgreeToDisagree
"many citizens also races left the countries that were their homes and settled down elsewhere."
> So WHY CITIZEN LEFT the countries that were their home?
> PLEASE give me an ANSWER? WHY?
And then you said:
"overly wealthy sequestering extreme quantities of land"
> WHO actually own that land in first place? A lot of people for hundred of years but definitely, not Chinese.
As your sayings: "that Hang Li Po is actually political marriage as to partnership case that resulted in a Peranakan sub-culture being born as well."
>Hang Li Po is not a STATELESS person.
>So peranakan. But what we talk RIGHT NOW is a CHINESE people, that come from china, talk, write like a chinese. They, indeed, before "MERDEKA" is STATELESS. Even china dont want them. They are thrown from their country ITSELF.
You also said:
"In either case, as said before, any Malay can also buy land in any country or be given citizenship as well, and still are, so what is the issue here other than limited space which has not reached a saturation point as well?"
Thats is not a problem. Yes, any people can do that. BUT think again sir. What about that MALAY "occupied" that country and buy more as big as a country itself. You want to make other JEWS that take land from PALESTINE (a good example of occupation)?
And You said it again:
"Schools or culture and language are a non-issue, unless chauvinistic, you won’t find people being resentful of Malays naturalizing in India or China or anywhere else. "
>An definition of chauvinistic – "of or relating to persons convinced of the superiority of their own gender or kind, fanatically patriotic".
>WHO is wrong HERE.
>Is malay people wrong for being "chauvinistic" in their own country?
>Is German people wrong for being "chauvinistic" in their own German country?
>Is American people wrong for being "chauvinistic" in their own United States country?
>Is Japanese people wrong for being "chauvinistic" in their own Japan country?
>And think again man. Is Chinese people wrong for being "chauvinistic" in others people country? It indeed WRONG man. WRONG.
>You are talking about being APARTHEID in others people country. WHY? Why in the land of your own country you doesn't talk like that, even the ancestors? Why dont fight back in your own country? WHY run to this country?
Why dont make your own country to become and HOLY land that you want to make? It is FAILED before? Why the ancestors don't start to do your own country crusade fight?
People accept you actually SUDAH BAGUS.
Your own sayings aaaa:
"It’s unreasonable to ask people, especially those who can’t afford to, to relocate based on this logic. Who will fund that? The colonial powers who brought them here to work in estates? The Japanese who caused them to run here during WW2? The early ones who were here at the welcome of the Sultans in the early 1500s or Malay Chieftains from earlier? It doesn’t work that way and it very childish to make an issue of."
WHO did AGREE to come first?
Malay people give the land to STAY. Is that Sultans halau these people back to china? Sultans HELP them to give them a new life. A NEW LIFE.
Malay people doesn't even think that Chinese people will saying any sh*t for their own HUMAN RIGHTS after 50 years of MERDEKA. Not a little bit. If we did know before, we will talk to SULTAN and deny any CITIZENSHIP to Chinese.
YOu said "This world and it’s wealth and lands do belong to all humankind".
>This is most SH*T-EST statement you ever talk. LAND is divided. WHY? Because LAND is occupied.
WHY is that land occupied. Because Humankind itself doesnt cooperate with themselves.
Why there is COMMUNISTS? Who KILL us for COMMUNISTS. Why communist people still not civilized.
Find money, you give to communists. Find more also you give to communists. So, whatever hard work you do, you will never get more. So people will not work more, because whatever hard work you do, it was useless.
Plutocracy. If you want to make a peace living, GO TO PLUTO then and make a house for yourself there. Govern your planet as a king of Pluto there. PRACTICALLY IT CAN BE DONE. AND IT CAN BE DONE.
You said:
"1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution."
Answer for this THREE "SH*TS":
1) This also other sh*t. Why? Go to any place in the world that people could react as ONE Community, without any clash. Even CHINESE also argue with other CHINESE, malay also same.
"Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy."
2) Chinese angry to malay for Azan time, they say it was loud.
Chinese use firework for their own religion, other people angry too.
Freedom SH*T *SS. In other people country. Are you trying to OCCUPIED US?
3) "Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution."
As long YOU don't agree with me, and ME don't agree with you, they may not have any EQUALITY. Why? Malay =/= CHINESE. NOT a same people with same HEART. Other Period.
this is not real policemen. fake. the "police" should have shown their ID. otherwise, don't bother. they could me criminal.
thanks for sharing this video
Sejarah satu keluarga Cina
Ini kisah satu keluarga Cina beranak lima orang di China pada akhir tahun 1920an. Nama anak-anak mereka ialah Chu, Bu, Hu, Su dan Fu.
Keadaan negara China yang berkrisis semasa itu membuat mereka mengambil keputusan untuk berhijarah ke Ameriak Syarikat.
Untuk memudahkan mendapatkan visa tinggal, anak-anak mereka mengambil nama orang Amerika. Chu menjadi Chuck. Bu bertukar menjadi Buck. Hu ambil nama Huck.
Su dan Fu tak jadi berhijrah, lalu ambil keputusan pulang balik ke China …
http://the-antics-of-husin-lempoyang.blogspot.com…
Nukilan Husin Lempoyang Pada 11:00 AM
AgreeToDisagree, it is so easy for you to just write away but maybe you never been in the real world where you become their minority. if only you become a victim of their own racist character against yourself, then you finally will understand it….. RACISTS? When people defend their RACE it was RACISTS also. Period – nice quote from apalah to end that
@dontoverreact :
Insist on being racist? Don't say I didn't try to help the situation, it won't be my fault then when 'others' act . . .
say all you want till the cows come home there is no russiantown, americantown, indiantown, even malaytown anywhere in the world. other people do not ask as much as them. so it must mean something is very very wrong somewhere….
the fact is they are asking for everything here but not giving nothing in return, including and not limited to their allegiance to this land. which is selfish. which is also a characteristic very very peculiar to this race….
so if nothing here is good for them here and keep on complaining, including after keeping thier names, language, culture, businesses, building their own schools and towns, and still on complaining. then please for the sake of the rest of humanity, go back to china. becos it seems that is what they are trying to do here anyway. the land there is still vast but we are a very tiny country and cannot afford to divide even further…..
if they cannot find happiness here, so do everything that is possible to return to the motherland where i hope and pray they will find peace…..
jes, you make it sound as if its end of the world. even america the best country in the world has people walking with guns everywhere. malaysia is still safe. but the organized criminal underground is perputrating all the crimes, you know who they are. again dont be like pam and overeact. peace to all sentient beings…..
Wassup!! .. Go Pamela!
Keep pissing the shit out of all these losers that are crying over this … its obvious why every1 feels like this .. mixed feelings … its cause all our politicians have DRIVEN the country to the GROUND! … and taking it backwards another 20years… so pls .. too all of u guys that actually think that malaysian police / gov is the best .. wake up morons .. they fuked up .. we're paying for it.. get over it .. dont like it .. too bad .. ur still living with it..
B1tches
During the various colonial or civil wars or as a natural course of living (maybe wanderlust, boredom with local monotony, for their own safety, political enemies?) many citizens also races left the countries that were their homes and settled down elswhere.
The subsequent generations however had no choice in where they were born so posting the questions on why some people are here or if they should return is wrong in itself. Though I'd say Princess Hang Li Po was a diplomatic marriage and partnership case that resulted in a Peranakan sub-culture being born as well. Naturally, their friends, servants, craftsmen also migrated.
In either case, as said before, any Malay can also buy land in any country or be given citizenship as well, and still are, so what is the issue here other than limited space which has not reached a saturation point as well?
Schools or culture and language are a non-issue, unless chauvinistic, you won't find people being resentful of Malays naturalising in India or China or anywhere else. Perhaps it is the overly wealthy sequestering extreme quantities of land and resources, this issue transcends race of course, that you could be addressing rather than the ethnic community as a whole.
@apalah
Equalization? (Yes)
You said about EQUALIZATION? (YES I said *about*)
Come on.
Chinese want their schools.
Chinese want to preserve heritage.
Chinese want bumiputra status invoked.
Chinese want to preserve….. here, there…
Chinese want that….. anything.
What if they do want all that? No problem with Malay citizens wanting all the same in India or China is there? Everyone is expected to pay taxes equally, so why is expecting equalisation (freedom from APARTHEID) wrong? Go there to China and prove it to yourself. Buy land and refuse to speak the lingo (but at least use a translator or how to communicate) and as long as you pay taxes, I bet you'd never be bothered by any Chinese person unless intentionally provoked or slighted by rude mannerism though cultural faux pas should be overlooked if genuinely ignorant.
So please don't apply APARTHEID on the minorities in Malaysia and make the Malay race into a bunch of regressive xenophobes, for they, most of the Malays, are not save those affeted by demoguery. Read the Human Rights Charter and apply with full force, though you will find minorities guilty of nothing but merely being different with some assimilating or isolating as their personal preferences will dictate.
@dontoverreact
"A characteristic that is very very peculiar of this Chinese race?"
Not so peculiar, as compared to the behaviour of other races, but no point mud slinging. Look here, start going to India and China to buy land and develop it in a Malay style as you wish. When Malaysia reaches saturation point, people will migrate. Nothing will happen. It's not a zero sum game. The minorities just happen to be here from actions not of our own in the past.
It's unreasonable to ask people, especially those who can't afford to, to relocate based on this logic. Who will fund that? The colonial powers who brought them here to work in estates? The Japanese who caused them to run here during WW2? The early ones who were here at the welcome of the Sultans in the early 1500s or Malay Chieftains from earlier? It doesn't work that way and it very childish to make an issue of.
Please think holistically :
Most of us non-plutocrats, whatever faith or ethnicity are victims of circumstance in many ways. It's not perfect a world, but we can make efforts perfecting it.
This world and it's wealth and lands do belong to all humankind. If you can think outwards from there and target the PLUTOCRACY rather than ordinary human beings whatever their faith or ethnicity , then you are thinking straight. Try the below link :
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36665503866
It is not any race that is the issue, the Chinese at least have imposed a one child policy (overkill as 2.1 is the required to maintain populations) to prevent it from being their fault the world is over populated. What other nation has been this conscientious? This will have to be done by the entire world very soon or even immediately because, there are too many of us already.
So it is easy to scapegoat any race because a handful of the are that plutocratic sequesterers of living space to appear to be a 'Jaguh kampong' but does not even come near to the crux of the problem. The rest of us are not in any position to be a competitive threat.
Does this help to redirect your misgivings and zero-sum mentality towards minorities who have done nothing but live their lives as they wished and hardly impacted on yours, even served the Sultans loyally, even defended and liberated Malay lands from colonial forces?
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
Apply the non-bumi status to our UMNO-putras and their lapdogs instead. All Malaysians will have as little love for them as there is as much justice in our hearts.
apalah, you couldnt have said it any better. just occured to me that you have raised a characteristic that is very very peculiar of this chinese race.
i've never heard of a russiantown, americantown, indiantown,even malaytown anywhere in the world. on the other hand, chinatown is EVERYWHERE in the world.
they sit there in their own community, speak own language and dont mix with other races. that is very weird of this race. why build your own town in other people's country?
for other races sake, if they like china so much, why dont they just go back to china? maybe they can find peace there instead of Malaysia. just a suggestion….
Hello Mr. AgreeToDisagree.
We do know whatever sh*t happens, everywhere here or there. We also dont care about BN or whatever.
"Are you advocating or somehow justifying this kind of behaviour? In US that sort of behaviour is also wrong."
Oh so, why wrong?
Hello boss.
I say,
“Ok. How about the police spray with pepper spray or TASER her. Simple, easy and according to standard. It is OK?”
Police apply law here, and it became wrong. You call it intimidation. Pro-violence or whatever.
Police don't apply law also wrong. You call it polis makan suap. Bribe or whatever.
Hey. What police want to do then. Sleep?
Oh, so when police get harassed then you said, oh padan muka polis.
When you in trouble, you find police.
Hello. You ini macam lalang lah.
SOP lah, apa lah. Tell us your sayings. What is police SOP then, quote, give the data and details or links of your SOP.
Equalization?
You said about EQUALIZATION?
Come on.
Chinese want their schools.
Chinese want to preserve heritage.
Chinese want bumiputra status invoked.
Chinese want to preserve….. here, there…
Chinese want that….. anything.
Indians also same.
Many race also want the same.
When malay want to open only one school, you turn it racist. Oh, malay racist.
Oh so, is all statement is not racist?
Oh. You are telling SO MUCH and claim it "Human rights" to speak?
Siapa2 pun mau juga.
So. Chinese want all inside this country.
And indeed want a chinese country in malaysia.
Any race also want, Bajau, Kadazan or whatever.
How many countries peoples want to build inside this tiny country. Count it with malays (eg Kelantanese, Johor or any), how many country do you want to build?
Raja2 melayu give citizenship to this LANDLESS people chinese and indians. But malay said, tak apalah, give these people to stay. Malay give chances. A lot of them.
Tell us. Who is the richest man in Malaysia? a Malay?
Malay give a lot. who take our tin mines, estate or anything before this? Malays?
Chinese dont want to tolerate, indians also. So why we need to tolerate too? So malay can can give everything till malay goes dry? From flesh to bones?
Go to your own perfect world. Your idea is never be idealized when any people that you say dont tolerate between them.
RACISTS? When people defend their RACE it was RACISTS also. Period.
till when our police can get rid of this kind of negative incidences? it is 2010, till when can we have respect & trust in professionalism of Malaysian police ?
it is so obvious that he isnt advocating it. what he really means is to not overreact and post it on youtube for the whole world to watch. well i agree actually. Pam is on a big joke here
"there can be much worst form of intimidation, if u were in US, some bad cops may even drag u out of the car for behaving so arrogantly."
@ccc : Are you advocating or somehow justifying this kind of behaviour? In US that sort of behaviour is also wrong. Dragging anyone or much less touching them could be an offense by today's standard. Civilians are as important as enforcement. Don't try to embolden an already IPCMC unaccountable police force. If you respect the police so much, make them respect the Sultans' wishes first. The IPCMC was recommended by the Sultans. BN refused to implement it. So by speaking in support of the lack of ID Numbers on these errant SOP cops (as decided by PDRM) by extension you are disrespecting the Ssltans and hence the Malay race.
@apalah : "Ok. How about the police spray with pepper spray or TASER her. Simple, easy and according to standard. It is OK?"
NO. It is not ok. You're using this as an opportunity to display your pro-violence mentality. Civilised citizens of the world least need people like that around. Go back to the stone ages or go take up some martial art form to learn ETHICS.
The onus is on enforcement to mediate, never the civilian. That is one aspect of what gives the police their authority. I think you guys have been and are still being unnecessarily mean to Pam even when compared to PDRM's excellent and conciliatory response. The onus is on the authorities and indirectly on the host race as well to reconcile.
These are intangible aspects that the mean spirited commentators completely gloss over to have an opportunity to be all chauvinistic about, showing the low minded natures of a certain segment of our populace. It's not immediately obvious but the racist undertones are everywhere and cannot be denied, even while apartheid continues around us. We're all learning aren't we, so I can't condemn anyone, as people do change and with the modicum of intelligence displayed here, it is not impossible . . .
It is true apartheid occurs by this dual system (Bumiputra/Non-Bumiputra), some say triple system (UMNO-putra/Bumi-putra/Non-Bumiputra) of citizenships, so we must not fault those who would are so fearful that they subconsciously protest by being uncharacteristically rude or inappropriate. But the instant all citizens are equal (apartheid via citizenship classes fully ends) any such adverts will signal true racists that should be summarily boycotted.
The first punch was not thrown by Pam in this case. The SOP was not abided by. The cops themselves were rather unprofessional to the point of being suspiciously fake to Pam and indeed many readers. Watch out for pro-violence/violence-normalisation cybertroopers/propagandists like @CCC and @apalah. What they justify or normalise will NEVER be accepted by civilised citizens and these violent paradigms of communications covert or overt, in their police personnel is something PDRM itself as an honorable institution would not abide by either.
This is not a Good Look Malaysia…
there can be much worst form of intimidation, if u were in US, some bad cops may even drag u out of the car for behaving so arrogantly. please don't sensationalize the situation, it's sick
Dumb Bitch! The police officers were in the right. U know your rights and the law. Minah ni memang bodoh!
aiseh danboy.
Think from both parties.
Pamela could take the summon, and if she think she is not wrong, go to court. Simple as A, B, C.
So, if YOU are thinking it simple and 100 more people do like Pam and scribble the POL 257 in one day. What do you think? Happy and laugh and talk to boss that people like to draws?
And do you think that police is happy if the boss critique them? And do you know police could taken action by his superior as the police don't actually guard the POL 257 summon.
That is summon letter only. If pistol, how about that?
Oh. So you want to police to act professionally.
Ok. How about the police spray with pepper spray or TASER her. Simple, easy and according to standard. It is OK?
Aiyo… so simple n yet the police overeact. During training they should expect 2 meet ppl like Pamela n know how 2 handle d situation. Looks like they don't know how n the ego kicked in!
It is really simple for the police, just give Pamela d summon and then report 2 their superior for the remarks she wrote on d summon n leave it 2 their superior 2 take further action. Why jatuh their standard n now become famous on YT!
Lousy training… n the way they hold her license/ic is intimidation! I agree with Pamela!!!
@dorai
"penerima boleh menulis bantahannya di bahagian tandatangan penerima"
Maaf kerana, POL 257, ialah harta kerajaan. Di atas surat tersebut, penerima dikehendaki ke makhkamah untuk sebarang bantahan. TETAPI BUKAN menulis di atas POL 257.
Dan jangan lupa, POL257 bukan drawing pad.
Tindakan Pam ini sebenarnya akan menyebabkan polis tadi boleh dikenakan undang2 kerana tidak menjaga harta kerajaan.
Dan juga polis boleh mengheret sesiapa juga, atas alasan DITAHAN atas merosakkan dokument tersebut. Mereka juga boleh menahan mereka untuk pelbagai alasan, seperti untuk pelbagai ujian, ujian air kencing dan sebagainya untuk menyeksa Pam ini.
Dan TOLONG, jangan bagi alasan polis bodoh, tak tahu cakap bahasa ENGLISH dan sebagainya. ALASAN ini tak masuk akal.
Dan jangan bagi alasan polis makan suap. Alasan ini juga tak melepaskan diri anda dari kesilapan anda.
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I believed the thing will much easier if you just sign the saman and take your copy and drive away.
Pam, you edi agree (in the video) you wrong rite ? so what's the big deal. terima sahaja la.
It is really very sad to view all in youtube. Actually, it was only a small matter and now has become a big issue. I am afraid the 1Malaysia policy is not going to success to every citizen in our MOTHERLAND no matter what races we are. Pamela might be wrong but I personally feel that the 2 policemen must act professionally as a law enforcers. No matter how, I sincerely hope our Government must send our law enforcers back to school and teaches them how to deal with different people when matters turn out to be ugly. I always believe MALAYSIA BOLEH! For me, if I happened to meet these policemen and the way the tackled this problem it was not professional lo…and of course Pamela felt she was being intimidated and she has to protect herself too as a citizen! Now, the problem is 2 policemen are against a lady, men….!
We did not how this matter started off but I felt the policemen had to warn Pamela not to videotape by the roadside and it might cause danger to other road users.If Pamela was stubborn for not leaving, then they have to give her a summon la…! What benefits did you gain by arguing with her? Pamela is a lady and she cannot do any harm to both of you, gentlemen!
Of course, they are always good hats and bad hats of law enforcers everywhere in this universal. We, citizens of Malaysia hope that our Government will try their best to improve our social illnesses and make us feel secure living here!
Syabas Malaysia…and..Malaysia Boleh!
brave girl… next namewee (female version)? hope more of you, though!
Read this from a blog
http://deminegara.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-convers…
I have regular chats with a casual non-Malay friend whenever I can. I will call him Robin.
Robin is a typical 40-something middle-class ethnic-Chinese citizen of Malaysia. Born in Penang. Studied in Australia on a PaMa scholarship. Worked there as an auditor for a decade and returned to Malaysia to work in a smallish MNC in Subang Jaya. His wife is in advertising. They have no kids. He was a product of Chinese vernacular schooling, but his preferred home language is English.
He has never uttered a proper word of Bahasa Malaysia in all the years I’ve known him, although I know he is sufficiently conversant in our national language when I “caught” him in a mobile phone conversation with an IRB officer on some tax issues (it went something like: "… ya Puan, saya sudah isi semua punca pendapatan saya di dalam borang B …") a few years ago.
He was a BN-type fellow until a couple of years ago when his views became more “radical” and he became more opinionated on issues a typical ethnic-Chinese Malaysian would hitherto never touched, at least not publicly, and especially not in the presence of a Malay. His views are essentially a repackaged a la carte smorgasbord of typical ethnic-Chinese grievances littering the blogosphere.
I will relate these views and my conversation with Robin in an occasional serial in this blog.
The subject today is police corruption, a classic grievance of the ethnic-Chinese and a main topic in NameWee’s Negarakuku racist garbage.
Robin told me that the Chinese are victimised by the (Malay) police, with regular RM50 kopi money expropriated from them at every opportunity. He went on and on about these injustice and parasitic affliction reflective of the Malay “tongkat” culture.
I finally decided to engage Robin, to dissect and synthesize the core logic of this Chinese urban legend.
So I asked him:-
– When the traffic cop pulled him over, he must have broken the law – speeding, illegal U-Turn, entering a no-entry zone. Robin admitted that much, protesting that he had to cut queues and drive fast to be at work on time after the notorious Subang crawl.
– I said that the fine is typically RM300. He agreed.
– I told Robin that he could always accept the ticket and pay the full fine. But no, he decided to bribe the cop RM50.
– I told him that this is not extortion or expropriation. I don’t recall any story of Malay traffic cops getting RM50 from ethnic-Chinese motorists at gunpoint. Robin voluntarily gave the RM50 to settle the issue – in his own words, to Kau Tim. See, Kau Tim — to selesai the easy way out — has become part of the Malaysian vocab, courtesy of our ethnic-Chinese citizens.
– I told Robin that I regard traffic policemen — irrespective of ethnicity — who take bribes as crooks and lowlifes that must be weeded out of our society.
– But I also told Robin that he was the bigger crook, in fact by a factor of six. You see, Robin bribed the Malay policeman RM50 in order to cheat the nation of RM300 in uncollected revenues. Multiply this by potentially thousands of transactions per day and thats a pretty hefty amount of revenues foregone. No wonder Robin can splash on many of life's comforts while bribing his way through the fast lane of the Rat Race.
– I told Robin, I’ve never bribed a policeman in my life. When I get pulled over for speeding, two possibilities ensued: The policeman either gives me a verbal warning which I accept quietly; or the policeman gives me a speeding ticket, which again I accept quietly. No money asked, no money offered, no money given. I told Robin of my rule of thumb when I get pulled over anywhere on earth: When the cop starts to write a ticket, just shut the fxxk up. Game’s over at the street level. In fact, when it comes to the LAPD, you better not twitch lest Officer Tweedledumb might suddenly discharge his Glock 22 .40 caliber in your pretty face.
– Within the 30-day compound period, I would make my way to the district traffic police headquarters to plead for a reduction in the compound, and usually the RM300 goes down to RM80. I duly go to the counter, pay the compound, take my receipt, and continue with my life. That is part of life lah! Same thing anywhere on this planet.
– Bottom line: I broke a traffic code, I got busted, I faced it like a man. I saved RM220 legally. The country gets RM80 in revenue.
Robin interjected, “Haiyaa like that susahlah. Where got time? I need to earn a living maah. Just pay-off the cop lah.”
Come again ….? What is wrong with this picture? Can you see the disconnect here?
Who’s fault was it again?
The Malay policeman? The “repressive” law? UMNO people? PAS people? Dr. M? Khir Toyo? The “country”? Global Warming?
I interjected: “Or maybe, Robin, it was just tiny little infinitessimal …….. YOU!!” Yes — Lu. Engkau. Hang. Awok. Mung!
YOU are THE factor that crippled the system. Your quest to cari lubang keluar without paying your true dues induced this breakdown. But would Robin admit to this fact hanging out like Dog’s Balls for all to see? Of course not.
To the ethnic-Chinese of Malaysia, they are beyond reproach. They are the embodiment of the perfect being. This state of kesempurnaan is tampered only by the thick undergrowth of Malay mediocrity that curtails the Chinese quest for wealth and fortune. Thats their standard issue gospel from the time Robin entered Standard One at the SRJK(C). Amen. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah.
I said …….. Podaah!
You Chinese are crippled by "thick undergrowth" alright ……. by the thick poisonous weeds of your own make-believe ethno-chauvinist propaganda. You have become a race of whiners. You complain about everything in this blessed land called Malaysia. You view yourselves as a race that has done and can do no wrong. You hate the police, but you use the police and ask for police protection. You condemn the law, but you use the same law to sue people. You tell the world that Malaysia is undemocratic, but you partake in the democratic process like an addiction.
You have become a race of contradictionists living in ambiguity underpinned by a dichotomous existence. In other words, you are a confused lot.
But what do you do?
You blame it all on the Malay majority.
See, our ethnic-Chinese citizens view the World from their Chinese-tinted glasses, where they are always betul while the Malays, the government, the laws, the constitution, indeed, the country are always salah.
Lets go back to Robin’s case:-
They break the law – by speeding.
They break the law – by bribing the policeman.
They break the law – by depriving the nation of this “social revenue.”
They break the law …. again … by speeding away in disgust after the payoff.
and
They break the law — by spewing seditious spins to the above stories for all the world to read.
But
They think they are the victims.
They are persecuted.
They are discriminated.
The Malays need their duit kopi to survive.
They think they are model citizens and above even an iota of criticism lest they will throw tantrums that reverberate across the world with shrills of "help us world, the Malays are repressing us, we got no rights."
In other words, they are the new untouchables of Malaysia – hypersensitive, hyperprotective, hyperdemanding, hyperselfish, hyper-ethnocentric, hyper-chauvinist ………. yeah, and jump queue at the Hypermarket as well!
Question: is this mindset sustainable? Is this the kind of people our founding fathers envisioned as Malaysian citizens? What actually went wrong?
Well, since the non-Malays nowadays take pride in their frankness and think there are no sacred cows in our complex socio-political framework, I will be frank as well. When the Duli-Duli Yang Maha Mulia Raja-Raja Melayu agreed to the wholesale dishing out of Malayan citizenships — even inexplicably waiving Bahasa Melayu proficiency tests — to a million and a half unwanted, abandoned stateless Chinese (and Indians) in 1957, could the Duli-Duli Tuanku have envisioned that the descendants of these desperate huddled masses would after 51 years become an unintegrated community of lawbreakers; a community infested by crooks and thieves and counterfeiters and pimps; a community that not only tidak terhutang budi to the Duli-Duli Tuanku for the precious kewarganegaraan, but now had the audacity to challenge every single tenet of Duli Tuanku's instruments of nationhood, not least the Bahasa Malaysia and Adat-Adat Melayu and the keris and the songkok and the sacred principle of Negara Dalam Arca Melayu held dear by Duli-Duli Tuanku.
Should we treat these pathological lawbreakers leniently? Give more muka and perhaps a piece of our peha on top of all the tanah, bukit, balak, pasir, sungai, and timah that they have siphoned away for the past abad or so? Do we need to kumpul and cuci anymore sampah, sisa, hampas and habuk in the bumi gersang and padang jarak padang tekukur left in their wake?
They deserve to be viewed as equal partners in nationbuilding? Heck, they don’t even recognise or comprehend the fundamental tenets of nationhood of our Tanah Air Tercinta.
What then?
You tell me ……..
jk I partly concur to what your comments are although part of it touched on your emotions but as far as I’m concerned I’m considered in Malaysia as “Others” or “dll” on every application forms we fill up. At home we speak in Bahasa Melayu, at gathering of the elders or family we spoke with our dialects and at work we speak English or Bahasa Melayu or our dialect but we are neither considered true Malaysians because most people in the Peninsula are ignorant about our status as a state within Malaysia and a major contributor to the country’s economy. In recent years, our ministers in the Parliament are most sought after by the ruling party and the opposition which has partly elevated us and become visible.
The uniqueness of the state of Sabah is that there are Sabahans that are Bumiputra Sabah by birth and yet they have Chinese names and do not speak or partly speak Chinese this is due to prior to independence or after, a number of Chinese married our local Sabahans and their children (some with Chinese names) are called “Sino-Kadazans”, sino-Bajao, Cina Suluk etc. In recent years, you can find Chinese Sabahans working around the country in restaurants, security firms, factories etc. particularly in the Peninsula and yet, we don’t complain about race issues because a majority of us are proud to be Sabahans and as well as Malaysians. We are actually filling up the gap left by foreigners who used to work as doctors, engineers, contractors, waiters, waitress, laborers, cooks, security guards, maids etc. discriminated or not, we don’t complain about anything, we just work.
The magic formula about unity and race is to love your State and be loyal to it and respect of your country and your ethnicity. Race must not be an issue to control or be marginalize in society where the common objective is to bring home the fruit of your labor. The three major races in the country are lucky to be able to choose whether to be schooled in Chinese Vernacular school, Sekolah Kebangsaan or Tamil whereas we Sabahans (Sarawakians too) with varied ethnic groups in their respective cultural background the indigenous population which made up of some 30 groups using more than 50 indigenous languages and not less than 80 dialects and yet we do not complain to have an ethnic school so that our children can learn our languages and dialects this is because we teach our children our unique culture at home. We teach our children to respect, honor our ancestors and keep our tradition well. We teach our children to respect the country’s leaders, to respect the government and to contribute to society. We teach our children to respect the law by not bribing or to disobey it and in return, we just need the cheapest flight home courtesy of Air Asia or MAS and share with our families the hard earned bucks in a far away land.
…lady, if you happen to be in USA, you would have been asked to be arrested for not cooperating with the police and given the famous Miranda warning…..“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?"….I hope you understand now that the video that you have published will be use upon you as evidence under the court of law.
Let everyone be learn from this episode.
Pam maybe not right to provoke the policemen whom enforcement officer.
But we knew some bad apple in the police force whom think they are powerful and try intimate ordinary citizen
We also heard quite a number of cases the women had been rape when they blindly follow the "bogus policemen" instruction.
So everyone shall be professional
This woman is kurang ajar… She's provoking the cops who are just doing their duty…. they should've just 'gari' her and call for Patrol car…. She's gone overboard…
R v. Camplin [1978] tak kira umur ke gender pun boleh provoke.
ini kepada jb.if u not keen to law,or lazy to read law books,cases just shut up your mouth.cant u read the recent cases regarding these kind of issues.be savvy enough to comment.even in malaysia we got a cases regarding this issue.just go and read.
1978 compare to cases in 2008.come on read don't be lazy like the 2 policeman.jb u far away now 2010.wake up wake up
banyak komen serong disini,jika pamela salah saman sajelah,pegawai polis nak mengemis duit pegilah ke puduraya atau chow kit,duduk sana dan mengemis lagi cun.jangan pakai seragam polis dan mengemis.
1.siapa cakap bahawa penerima tidak boleh menulis di buku saman,kalau jahil atau bodoh undang-undang jangan pandai -pandai sangat tahu.penerima boleh menulis bantahannya di bahagian tandatangan penerima.tak tahu balik mengaji atau tanya budak kechik darjah 6.depa lagi pandai.yang pandai sangat komen,kamulah yang paling bodoh daripada 2 pegwai polis berkenaan.mungkin lain kali dia akan complain kat emak,emak ada orang conteng buku saya.
2.menulis di buku saman boleh diheret sampai balai polis,wow mana punya buku undang-undang ini.kepala hotak dia dipenuhi tahi.pikirlah bodoh punya polis.macam mana depa jadi polis,ini mesti kes recommend.
3.u go i c license,english mana ini wahai polis bodoh.hang tak tahu cakap english janganlah cakap,tutup mulut.tak boleh cakap english yang senang.mcam mana u nak siasat kes pula.mujur dia bukan pelancong,malu buat satu malaysia.
3.bila pegang ic dan lesen lepas itu tanya pula rakyat mana.dia memang dipenuhi dengan otak tahi lembu(oops yang itu lebih suci).bodohnya polis ini,dahlah tak tahu english,dalam melayu pun tak boleh berdebat.lebih baik 2 pegawai polis ini datang ke kawasan rumah saya dan kerja kutip bersihkan tahi anjing.mereka ini tidak langsung layak jadi polis.PDRM bagaimana pula mereka begitu cuai dalam memilih anggota begini.
seorang pegawai polis pula menutup namanya dengan buku supaya tidak dirakam,manakala yang lagi satu lencana hilang(kuat sangat kerja sampai boleh hilang lencana).
ini 2 pegawai polis ini kaki suap.seluruh malaysia dah tahu muka dua ini.kalau saya berjumpa dengan mereja dijalan pasti saya akan hina mereka.bagi saya PDRM adalah satu pertubuhan yang berprestij,pegwai seperti ini memalukan sahaja.pastikan video ini tidak keluar dalam you tube lagi malu malaysia kita.
1. You broke the law
2. You provoked the policemen who were merely doing their job
Try it this way: what if YOU were the one being provoked into a confrontation?
You R Pathetic. Arrogant!
Rubbish Pam = Penyapu Sawang a.k.a mulut longkang.
hi Batangberjuntai :
The average Indian/Chinese person is not 4000 years old, nor has he/she any special social or cultural or financial advantage over anyone, especially in a country not of their origin. dr.Evil's essay on the issue/based on this issue reserving the right to deny equal treatment or place handicaps on them, is inapplicable to all lower and middle class minotities, and even some upper class minorities as well. To give such a person equal treatment is not wrong. It is even required by the Hadiths of Islam and a mere show of an open and democratic constitution. Please think over this other fact.
Daniel Lim wrote:
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And, have respect for our police force? You mean you can respect the 2 bullies on the video? One was even asking her which country she’s from. Was he trying to ask Pamela to go back to China? Another one didn’t want to give back her IC? Respect?"
Perhaps the following article can answer this question:
How Come Asking Someone To Go Home Is A Racist Remark?
By Angelia Sinyang
The non-Malays went berserk when they heard how the Principal in Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra, Kulai, Johor insulted their children, by asking the Chinese to go back to China and the Indians of wearing dog-chains.
I am not a racist, though I admit that I started to doubt that now. I personally don’t agree with racist remarks from anybody especially coming from a teacher. But with the racist sentiment filling up the air uncontrollably, lately, I understand fully, how this teacher has come to this point.
A teacher wouldn’t be uttering such words without a good reason. Something must have triggered the words and I believe, she was provoked into saying it just like what the DAP and MCA is doing to the government, UMNO and the Malays lately.
We are already choking, and it looks like nothing could be said or done could purify the air for now.
I do believe that the ‘dog-chain’ thing is too much. The Principal should apologize on that and if action is to be taken, then be it.
But, I didn’t know that coming from China is something insulting. Asking someone to go home is not at all a racist remark.
Especially when the Chinese made it clear how proud they are to be Chinese from China . They look up upon Mao Tze Tung and all the great warriors of China and never share the same proudness towards our Hang Tuah, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Mat Kilau and other Malaysian heroes just because these Malaysian heroes are not of Chinese ethnic.
The Chinese despise Malaysia , Malays, our Kings, our language and everything, so why the hell don’t they go back to China ? It is just natural for the Principle to tell their kids to go back to China , where their hearts and souls belong.
Only in Malaysia , we see people go crazy, stomping their feet, insisting that they are Malaysians but at the same time don’t want anything to do with Malaysia .
Only in Malaysia , we see people who insist that they are Malaysians but couldn’t even speak Bahasa Malaysia .
Only in Malaysia , we see people who want to be treated equally as the original settlers but cunningly try to re-write the Malaysian’s history and constitution.
Only in Malaysia , we see people who claim to be Malaysians but cannot even sing the National Anthem!
Only in Malaysia , we see people who fight for equality but insist on going to vernacular schools.
No other multi-racial country in the world would tolerate vernacular schools except Malaysia .
No other multi-racial country in the world would give equal privilege, rights or acknowledgment on the importance of other culture and language to be taught and nurtured among the youngsters.
Only in Malaysia we see minority own 81% of the economic cake and it is still ain’t enough.
Only Malaysian Chinese would ask for Namewee to be forgiven and look up upon the person and even set up a fan club.
And only Malaysia , would forgive someone like Namewee.
The fact that Malaysia has come this far and that the Malaysian Chinese have achieved so much doesn’t seem important anymore.
Of course there are few Chinese students who didn’t get scholarships despite being poor, but there are Malay and Bumiputra students with the same fate too. The problem lies in the implementation of the system, not the race. We have to stop looking at things from the race point of view.
In order to do that, maybe the Chinese first need to look at it from the non-Chinese point of view: what if you didn’t get promoted even when you have proven to be the best employee just because the Chinese management wants only Chinese to hold top posts?
Or you did not get the job even when the interviewer admitted that you are the best candidate, and tell you to your face that they can’t hire you because you are not a Chinese?
Only Malaysian Chinese can hire a new, dumb guy to become your boss, rather than promoting you to the post because the new, dumb guy is a Chinese and you’re not.
Only Malaysian Chinese who want to hold top posts in government sectors but will never ever open top posts for other races in the private sectors dominated by them.
Only in Malaysian Chinese we see a clear practice of double standard and bias when questioning about the positions and employment opportunities in government sectors as compared to private sectors.
Only in Malaysian Chinese, we see zero tolerance, total greed and unlimited hatred.
Only in Malaysian Chinese we see that greed, intolerance, hatred and double standards are acceptable values.
So, how do the Malaysian Chinese interpret equality, actually?
How do the Malaysian Chinese prove that they deserve to be treated as Bumiputras or even call themselves Malaysians?
Could I get a straight, simple answer to these simple questions?
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and i mean you, Pam.
I am wondering whether the are fullfletch Polismen.Their behaviour is questionable.I call upon the Ministry to investigate this.There are many con men around.
This lady is Great. She should be recinmended to be given Tan Sri or Tun.
The behaviour of these gentlment is a GREAT INSULT TO OUR POLIS FORCE.
They should be suspended and send for RETRAINING if they really are members of the FORCE.
AgreeToDisagree wrote:
“Some things are innately right and some innately wrong. Equality for all man can’t be wrong. Arguing for end of apartheid policy is not wrong.
So Special Privileges originally intended as affirmative action, have now taken the form of APARTHEID. This cannot be denied can it?
Demanding the continuation of expired Special Privileges is wrong. You can insist you are right but the facts are these and say you and those insisting on it’s continuance are wrong. That is the major difference between Malays in Barisan and Pakatan.”
On this so-called Malay Rights and the rights of the Chinese and the Indians in Malaysia issues (Social Contract) I suggest you read the two sides of the coin as ariculated by Tun Dr. Mahathir as follows:
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR, MELBOURNE
By
Dr. Mahathir Mohamad
on October 13, 2010 12:15 PM | Permalink | Comments (36) | TrackBacks (0)
1. I would like to apologise to the students and others for failing to turn up to give the talk I had agreed to.
2. I would also like to thank those who sent get well messages, fruits and flowers while I was in hospital in Melbourne.
3. Honestly I feel I have lost an opportunity to meet and talk to what may be the future leaders of Malaysia. For this reason I am writing down here what would have been the contents of my talk.
4. The suggested topic for my talk was, “Are we ready for 1 Malaysia: Does Race Still Play a Part?”
5. I will be frank but factual. My only interest is the country we all love. I am past self-interest.
6. First let me refer to the slogan “1 Malaysia”.
7. Without the Government spelling out the precise meaning of 1 Malaysia, different people are giving their own interpretations which not only differ from each other but are in conflict with each other.
8. The Malays generally interprete 1 Malaysia to mean real adoption of the national language as the home language by every citizen as happens in other multiracial countries. They also expect the abolition of Chinese and Tamil schools and ensuring the private sector has a fair participation of Malays and other Bumiputeras.
9. The Chinese and Indians interprete 1 Malaysia to mean amendments to the constitution to eliminate provisions for the special treatment of the Malays and their protection by the Rulers, removal of the quota for Malays in the Civil Service, termination of the NEP, termination of the 30 per cent quota for Malays and indigenous people in business, termination of the quota for awards of licences, contracts and Aps. All awards to be on a competitive basis and open to all irrespective of race. They also expect perpetuation and maintenance of Chinese and Indian schools by the Government.
10. These two interpretations of 1 Malaysia admittedly are by the more extreme groups. The more moderate ones from both sides are milder in their expectations but their minimum intetrpretations still provide irreconcilable conflicts. 1 Malaysia clearly means different things to the different races.
11. This is the present position and it is obvious that race still play a very important role.
12. Question: It is now more than 50 years since independence. For how long do the Malays expect to be treated as special and different from the other citizens?
Answer: For as long as the Chinese and Indians prefer to be identified with their countries of origins. For as long as they want to keep their home languages and their schools.
13. Question: The so-called social contract were made a long time ago. We were not involved and we cannot be bound by it forever. When can we ignore the social contract and draw up our own social contract?
Answer: When everyone agrees to throw out the old social contract and replace it with a new one.
This will take a long time. As the new contract will be between races, racial factors would be included. Unless both sides agree to give up their races’ own rights as spelt out in the first contract i.e. the preservation of own home languages and schools etc. the rights of the indigenous races to their special position etc must remain a part of the new social contract.
It is not certain that each would not demand for more than what they got under the old contract. It is likely there would be no agreement and no contract. Ths would lead to perpetual conflicts.
14. Question: So there will be no solution. The racial divisions and conflicts will remain.
Answer: In Vision 2020 one of the objectives is to create a bangsa Malaysia.
The belief at that time was that if Malaysia becomes a fully developed country, it would become very prosperous.
This prosperity would be fairly shared between the races. There would be less jealousy between them. There would also be less fear of any race being dominated by any other race.
The political cooperation between the races would also be made more meaningful as loyalty to the country would override other loyalties. In fact non-racial parties would be the trend.
It would take a long time perhaps – depending on fair wealth distribution. But once it takes off the pace will increase.
Malaysians of all races would be so proud of their country and its great achievements that the desire to be linked with other countries would be much diminished if not disappear altogether (as happens in prosperous multi-racial countries like the US – where the German, Eisenhower led the war against Germany. Eisenhower was American first and his country of origin was irrelevant to him).
The Malaysians at that stage would be Bangsa Malaysia first and always. The thing to do now is to ensure prosperity for the country and its fair distribution. Removing current rights of any of the races at this moment will only lead to racial conflicts which would obstruct prosperity.
15. Question: There are Malays in the opposition who condemn the NEP as unfair discrimination.
Answer: There are also Chinese and Indians who appreciate what the Malays have done and support the NEP. They are not so vocal for obvious reasons.
One should look at the Malays who condemn the NEP. If they are politicians or supporters of certain parties their views are motivated by a desire to get Chinese support. They assume that they themselves would lead the nation and enjoy power and opportunities through Chinese support. But there will be a pay-back period. The support is not for free. The Malay leaders will be like Nizar (Jamaluddin) when he was Menteri Besar of Perak – mere puppets.
The non-politically educated Malays feel ashamed that they have to be helped. They would like to be recognised as people who succeeded on their own. If we study these people almost invariably they have benefited from the NEP. They appear to be ashamed of this.
They are ashamed to admit that they were unable to compete with the other races. I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot compete with the Chinese and Indian students when studying medicine. They had much better results than me and the other six Malay students for entry into the Medical College. Even at that time the British promised to the Rulers to help educate the Malays. I had my chance because of the affirmative action then. On pure merit I would not be a doctor today, not because I was not qualified, but my qualification was lower than others.
One has to remember that the Chinese civilisation is more than 4000 years old. No other civilisation has lasted that long. Naturally they have developed a culture better able to survive under all conditions. It is my belief that if the percentage of Chinese in the United Kingdom for example is the same as in Malaysia, UK would be better developed than it is now. It is not surprising that the Chinese excel in developing Malaysia (for which they are amply rewarded).
It is not shameful to lose out against them. Simply to catch up with them we need handicaps. To be given handicaps is to ensure fairness, not discrimination. That is why in golf you have handicaps. That is why in all contests there must be equality between the contestants.
It is selfish if having benefited from the handicaps you want to deny others from having them.
But when all is said and done, those who are given the benefits of handicaps must make honest efforts to use them properly. If they don’t then they must forfeit the handicaps in the future.
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR, MELBOURNE
By
Dr. Mahathir Mohamad
on October 13, 2010 12:15 PM | Permalink | Comments (36) | TrackBacks (0)
1. I would like to apologise to the students and others for failing to turn up to give the talk I had agreed to.
2. I would also like to thank those who sent get well messages, fruits and flowers while I was in hospital in Melbourne.
3. Honestly I feel I have lost an opportunity to meet and talk to what may be the future leaders of Malaysia. For this reason I am writing down here what would have been the contents of my talk.
4. The suggested topic for my talk was, “Are we ready for 1 Malaysia: Does Race Still Play a Part?”
5. I will be frank but factual. My only interest is the country we all love. I am past self-interest.
6. First let me refer to the slogan “1 Malaysia”.
7. Without the Government spelling out the precise meaning of 1 Malaysia, different people are giving their own interpretations which not only differ from each other but are in conflict with each other.
8. The Malays generally interprete 1 Malaysia to mean real adoption of the national language as the home language by every citizen as happens in other multiracial countries. They also expect the abolition of Chinese and Tamil schools and ensuring the private sector has a fair participation of Malays and other Bumiputeras.
9. The Chinese and Indians interprete 1 Malaysia to mean amendments to the constitution to eliminate provisions for the special treatment of the Malays and their protection by the Rulers, removal of the quota for Malays in the Civil Service, termination of the NEP, termination of the 30 per cent quota for Malays and indigenous people in business, termination of the quota for awards of licences, contracts and Aps. All awards to be on a competitive basis and open to all irrespective of race. They also expect perpetuation and maintenance of Chinese and Indian schools by the Government.
10. These two interpretations of 1 Malaysia admittedly are by the more extreme groups. The more moderate ones from both sides are milder in their expectations but their minimum intetrpretations still provide irreconcilable conflicts. 1 Malaysia clearly means different things to the different races.
11. This is the present position and it is obvious that race still play a very important role.
12. Question: It is now more than 50 years since independence. For how long do the Malays expect to be treated as special and different from the other citizens?
Answer: For as long as the Chinese and Indians prefer to be identified with their countries of origins. For as long as they want to keep their home languages and their schools.
13. Question: The so-called social contract were made a long time ago. We were not involved and we cannot be bound by it forever. When can we ignore the social contract and draw up our own social contract?
Answer: When everyone agrees to throw out the old social contract and replace it with a new one.
This will take a long time. As the new contract will be between races, racial factors would be included. Unless both sides agree to give up their races’ own rights as spelt out in the first contract i.e. the preservation of own home languages and schools etc. the rights of the indigenous races to their special position etc must remain a part of the new social contract.
It is not certain that each would not demand for more than what they got under the old contract. It is likely there would be no agreement and no contract. Ths would lead to perpetual conflicts.
14. Question: So there will be no solution. The racial divisions and conflicts will remain.
Answer: In Vision 2020 one of the objectives is to create a bangsa Malaysia.
The belief at that time was that if Malaysia becomes a fully developed country, it would become very prosperous.
This prosperity would be fairly shared between the races. There would be less jealousy between them. There would also be less fear of any race being dominated by any other race.
The political cooperation between the races would also be made more meaningful as loyalty to the country would override other loyalties. In fact non-racial parties would be the trend.
It would take a long time perhaps – depending on fair wealth distribution. But once it takes off the pace will increase.
Malaysians of all races would be so proud of their country and its great achievements that the desire to be linked with other countries would be much diminished if not disappear altogether (as happens in prosperous multi-racial countries like the US – where the German, Eisenhower led the war against Germany. Eisenhower was American first and his country of origin was irrelevant to him).
The Malaysians at that stage would be Bangsa Malaysia first and always. The thing to do now is to ensure prosperity for the country and its fair distribution. Removing current rights of any of the races at this moment will only lead to racial conflicts which would obstruct prosperity.
15. Question: There are Malays in the opposition who condemn the NEP as unfair discrimination.
Answer: There are also Chinese and Indians who appreciate what the Malays have done and support the NEP. They are not so vocal for obvious reasons.
One should look at the Malays who condemn the NEP. If they are politicians or supporters of certain parties their views are motivated by a desire to get Chinese support. They assume that they themselves would lead the nation and enjoy power and opportunities through Chinese support. But there will be a pay-back period. The support is not for free. The Malay leaders will be like Nizar (Jamaluddin) when he was Menteri Besar of Perak – mere puppets.
The non-politically educated Malays feel ashamed that they have to be helped. They would like to be recognised as people who succeeded on their own. If we study these people almost invariably they have benefited from the NEP. They appear to be ashamed of this.
They are ashamed to admit that they were unable to compete with the other races. I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot compete with the Chinese and Indian students when studying medicine. They had much better results than me and the other six Malay students for entry into the Medical College. Even at that time the British promised to the Rulers to help educate the Malays. I had my chance because of the affirmative action then. On pure merit I would not be a doctor today, not because I was not qualified, but my qualification was lower than others.
One has to remember that the Chinese civilisation is more than 4000 years old. No other civilisation has lasted that long. Naturally they have developed a culture better able to survive under all conditions. It is my belief that if the percentage of Chinese in the United Kingdom for example is the same as in Malaysia, UK would be better developed than it is now. It is not surprising that the Chinese excel in developing Malaysia (for which they are amply rewarded).
It is not shameful to lose out against them. Simply to catch up with them we need handicaps. To be given handicaps is to ensure fairness, not discrimination. That is why in golf you have handicaps. That is why in all contests there must be equality between the contestants.
It is selfish if having benefited from the handicaps you want to deny others from having them.
But when all is said and done, those who are given the benefits of handicaps must make honest efforts to use them properly. If they don’t then they must forfeit the handicaps in the future.
By
Dr. Mahathir Mohamad
on October 13, 2010 12:15 PM | Permalink | Comments (36) | TrackBacks (0)
1. I would like to apologise to the students and others for failing to turn up to give the talk I had agreed to.
2. I would also like to thank those who sent get well messages, fruits and flowers while I was in hospital in Melbourne.
3. Honestly I feel I have lost an opportunity to meet and talk to what may be the future leaders of Malaysia. For this reason I am writing down here what would have been the contents of my talk.
4. The suggested topic for my talk was, “Are we ready for 1 Malaysia: Does Race Still Play a Part?”
5. I will be frank but factual. My only interest is the country we all love. I am past self-interest.
6. First let me refer to the slogan “1 Malaysia”.
7. Without the Government spelling out the precise meaning of 1 Malaysia, different people are giving their own interpretations which not only differ from each other but are in conflict with each other.
8. The Malays generally interprete 1 Malaysia to mean real adoption of the national language as the home language by every citizen as happens in other multiracial countries. They also expect the abolition of Chinese and Tamil schools and ensuring the private sector has a fair participation of Malays and other Bumiputeras.
9. The Chinese and Indians interprete 1 Malaysia to mean amendments to the constitution to eliminate provisions for the special treatment of the Malays and their protection by the Rulers, removal of the quota for Malays in the Civil Service, termination of the NEP, termination of the 30 per cent quota for Malays and indigenous people in business, termination of the quota for awards of licences, contracts and Aps. All awards to be on a competitive basis and open to all irrespective of race. They also expect perpetuation and maintenance of Chinese and Indian schools by the Government.
10. These two interpretations of 1 Malaysia admittedly are by the more extreme groups. The more moderate ones from both sides are milder in their expectations but their minimum intetrpretations still provide irreconcilable conflicts. 1 Malaysia clearly means different things to the different races.
11. This is the present position and it is obvious that race still play a very important role.
12. Question: It is now more than 50 years since independence. For how long do the Malays expect to be treated as special and different from the other citizens?
Answer: For as long as the Chinese and Indians prefer to be identified with their countries of origins. For as long as they want to keep their home languages and their schools.
13. Question: The so-called social contract were made a long time ago. We were not involved and we cannot be bound by it forever. When can we ignore the social contract and draw up our own social contract?
Answer: When everyone agrees to throw out the old social contract and replace it with a new one.
This will take a long time. As the new contract will be between races, racial factors would be included. Unless both sides agree to give up their races’ own rights as spelt out in the first contract i.e. the preservation of own home languages and schools etc. the rights of the indigenous races to their special position etc must remain a part of the new social contract.
It is not certain that each would not demand for more than what they got under the old contract. It is likely there would be no agreement and no contract. Ths would lead to perpetual conflicts.
14. Question: So there will be no solution. The racial divisions and conflicts will remain.
Answer: In Vision 2020 one of the objectives is to create a bangsa Malaysia.
The belief at that time was that if Malaysia becomes a fully developed country, it would become very prosperous.
This prosperity would be fairly shared between the races. There would be less jealousy between them. There would also be less fear of any race being dominated by any other race.
The political cooperation between the races would also be made more meaningful as loyalty to the country would override other loyalties. In fact non-racial parties would be the trend.
It would take a long time perhaps – depending on fair wealth distribution. But once it takes off the pace will increase.
Malaysians of all races would be so proud of their country and its great achievements that the desire to be linked with other countries would be much diminished if not disappear altogether (as happens in prosperous multi-racial countries like the US – where the German, Eisenhower led the war against Germany. Eisenhower was American first and his country of origin was irrelevant to him).
The Malaysians at that stage would be Bangsa Malaysia first and always. The thing to do now is to ensure prosperity for the country and its fair distribution. Removing current rights of any of the races at this moment will only lead to racial conflicts which would obstruct prosperity.
15. Question: There are Malays in the opposition who condemn the NEP as unfair discrimination.
Answer: There are also Chinese and Indians who appreciate what the Malays have done and support the NEP. They are not so vocal for obvious reasons.
One should look at the Malays who condemn the NEP. If they are politicians or supporters of certain parties their views are motivated by a desire to get Chinese support. They assume that they themselves would lead the nation and enjoy power and opportunities through Chinese support. But there will be a pay-back period. The support is not for free. The Malay leaders will be like Nizar (Jamaluddin) when he was Menteri Besar of Perak – mere puppets.
The non-politically educated Malays feel ashamed that they have to be helped. They would like to be recognised as people who succeeded on their own. If we study these people almost invariably they have benefited from the NEP. They appear to be ashamed of this.
They are ashamed to admit that they were unable to compete with the other races. I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot compete with the Chinese and Indian students when studying medicine. They had much better results than me and the other six Malay students for entry into the Medical College. Even at that time the British promised to the Rulers to help educate the Malays. I had my chance because of the affirmative action then. On pure merit I would not be a doctor today, not because I was not qualified, but my qualification was lower than others.
One has to remember that the Chinese civilisation is more than 4000 years old. No other civilisation has lasted that long. Naturally they have developed a culture better able to survive under all conditions. It is my belief that if the percentage of Chinese in the United Kingdom for example is the same as in Malaysia, UK would be better developed than it is now. It is not surprising that the Chinese excel in developing Malaysia (for which they are amply rewarded).
It is not shameful to lose out against them. Simply to catch up with them we need handicaps. To be given handicaps is to ensure fairness, not discrimination. That is why in golf you have handicaps. That is why in all contests there must be equality between the contestants.
It is selfish if having benefited from the handicaps you want to deny others from having them.
But when all is said and done, those who are given the benefits of handicaps must make honest efforts to use them properly. If they don’t then they must forfeit the handicaps in the future.
Dennis wrote:
“Give a Malay a uniform and he immediately becomes a little tyrant riding around on his little motorbike pretending to be something important
In short the police acted illegally, unprofessionally and arrogantly … but then they are members of the ’superior race” Arent they??”
If this sort of remarks are not racial in nature, then I do not know what are they !
Stick to the topic at hand. The policemen are just trying to do their job and if you intimidate them by speaking arrogantly and then filming the incident then you have to expect some backlash. If only you try the soft and polite approach you would have been better off. The policemen are human too and are subject to emotion, just like you !
There are too many law breakers on the road, beside the mat rempits, who are not afraid to go against the traffic code just because they can afford to pay the fine. That is why people like Pam who drives beyond the speed limit get themselves maimed or killed.
I read on youtube that she was fired from a company for accusing a colleague of stealing her camera and calling the police (ironic isn't it?). Only to find out later that she had misplaced it herself. (swell huh?)
you know what? I actually know who this Pam is. She use to tell her friends when they have problems with other to fight on and say their piece. I am so surprised that she has nothing to say after all this comments. Someone cut off your tongue or hacked off your fingers isit????
We the trur Malaysians are still waiting for your APOLOGY, so does the 2 pegawai Polis.
Is it your rights as citizen to take others picture/video without permission….
i think it's their rights to stop u from 'videoing' them….
Masalah kecil sudah jadi masalah besar…terang-terang salah tapi mahu jugak kata benar…ada orang sudah bubuh sos, kicap n bubuh sayur sikit skrg sudah jadi isu politik (AgreeToDisagree)…sebab itu saya sudah malas mau komen kalau ada "Yang Berhormat" sudah masuk dalam kacau….
p/s:Pam…up to you laa…don't want to waste my time here anymore..keras kepala punya orang..!!!
Bye bye all…
jb :
Some things are innately right and some innately wrong. Equality for all man can't be wrong. Arguing for end of apartheid policy is not wrong.
The Reid Commission only stipulated 15 years after which a review would be made. This review was not made – so wrong. It is now 4 times the recommended period of Special Privileges. No reviews yet and obviously the Bumiputra system been abused as seen in the unequal distribution of wealth among bumiputra – more wrong.
So Special Privileges originally intended as affirmative action, have now taken the form of APARTHEID. This cannot be denied can it?
Demanding the continuation of expired Special Privileges is wrong. You can insist you are right but the facts are these and say you and those insisting on it's continuance are wrong. That is the major difference between Malays in Barisan and Pakatan.
” jikalau kebanyakan orang berpendapat bahawa pendapat kamu serong/ tak guna/ salah/ tidak boleh diterima, diam lah.”
Ans : Minta maaf, tertapi orang kebanyakan pun telah salah sebelumnya. Dan dalam hal ini saya yakin mereka Orang kebanyakan salah.
> Bahayanya begini. Punyalah ramai kata dia bersalah tetapi tak ramai pula kata dia betul. Jika anda yakin ramai orang salah, tetapi kita juga tak semestinya betul. Ada yang komen juga orang pandai2. bukannya semuanya bodoh. Minoriti lah, katakan. Saya pun tak berani juga nak komen banyak sangat jika ada sepuluh jari menghulur kat kita. satu jari kita menunjuk orang, ada juga beberapa jari tunjuk kat diri sendiri.
Membaca dan Berfikir :
a) Hadith An-Nisa’:1 dan Hadith Al-Hujurat:13 (membahas isu Asabiya)
b) Piagam Hak Asasi Manusia – Peraturan Satu (Human Rights Charter Article 1)
hahahahahahhaha.
nak apply tapi ada problem juga.
>banyaknya pengabaian disitu. Hak asasi, hak asasi juga. tapi, nombor satu, menzalimi orang lain.
Tumpang tanya, adakah anda dan mereka tidak mengakui salah jika anda salah? Fi Amaan Allah.
>Bagaimana pula anda salah dan tidak hendak mengaku salah. Macamana nak define SALAH. Polis memang "tidak professional" di situ, tapi tak nampak pula dia buat salah. Dia pegang IC dia tak salah, under law lagi, legal oooo. Sila cari apa yang dikatakan perlanggaran undang2 oleh polis itu. Tapi setakat ni, cerita polis tak professional je tak habis2.
Pam nampak salah, dia conteng dokumen kerajaan, act dia dirakam dalam video, pastu provoke polis, nampak jelas dan nyata pula tu. Aik, lawyer pun bodoh ke, ingat bila provocation tu tak boleh diambil tindakan ke. lihat la R v. Camplin [1978] tak kira umur ke gender pun boleh provoke.
whenever a women reach the stage of menopause, they will tend to act weird.
what has her fervent spirit for adventure, her inquisitive nature for wildlife and her intrinsic values for doing the right thing…got anything to do with this stupid rude adventure of hers.
Yes there are bad apples in police, heck there are bad apples even in your family. But in this video..she is the bad apple…a rotten one.
Kitacintamalaysia,
Wasalaam.
" jikalau kebanyakan orang berpendapat bahawa pendapat kamu serong/ tak guna/ salah/ tidak boleh diterima, diam lah."
Ans : Minta maaf, tertapi orang kebanyakan pun telah salah sebelumnya. Dan dalam hal ini saya yakin mereka Orang kebanyakan salah.
Membaca dan Berfikir :
a) Hadith An-Nisa’:1 dan Hadith Al-Hujurat:13 (membahas isu Asabiya)
b) Piagam Hak Asasi Manusia – Peraturan Satu (Human Rights Charter Article 1)
Tumpang tanya, adakah anda dan mereka tidak mengakui salah jika anda salah? Fi Amaan Allah.
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Stupid AgreeToDisagree