[Updated on 14 October 2010: Through Dato’ Khalid Bin Abu Bakar’s statement on 13 October 2010, the police has responded on Facebook here. Thank you commentator PDRM for bringing it to our attention. We reproduce it in full:

Salam rakan-rakan semua, apa yg kita lihat di dalam video itu, terdapat kekurangan/kesilapan di kedua-dua pihak. Di pihak Polis, anggota tersebut bersikap kurang mesra, dan terdapat kata-kata yang tidak perlu diucapkan langsung. Apa yang perlu diucapkan ketika menahan seseorang yang melakukan kesalahan trafik, adalah mengucapkan salam/selamat pagi/petang, maklumkan apa kesalahan pemandu dan jika dia menerima alasan yg diberikan oleh pemandu, dia boleh menggunakan budi bicaranya untuk melepaskan pemandu dengan amaran atau ingatan dan jika dia tidak menerima alasan pemandu, dia terus mengeluarkan saman dan beredar.

Jika pemandu enggan menerima saman, buat catatan dan terus beredar. Kata-kata atau ucapan lain yang tidak berkenaan tidak perlu.

Di pihak pemandu, di dalam insiden ini pula seolah-olah mencabar dan membuat provokasi kepada anggota polis yang menjalankan tugasnya. Ini juga tidak perlu dilakukan. Tidak salah untuk merakam kejadian yang berlaku tetapi tidak perlu mengeluarkan kata-kata yg mencabar anggota Polis itu. Jika ada perbuatan anggota Polis itu yang tidak menyenangkan pemandu, dia boleh melaporkannya kepada Pegawai Kanan Polis di mana-mana Balai. Pemandu juga boleh hadir ke mahkamah untuk mendengar kes di hadapan Majistret, jika tidak puas hati dengan saman yang dikeluarkan. Saya telah menghubungi Rakan kita yang postkan video ini tetapi malangnya dia tidak dapat memberi saya butir-butir lanjut kejadian ini. Kita akan cuba kesan Anggota polis berkenaan dan dapatkan butiran kejadian. Terima kaseh saya ucapkan di atas pendedahan ini.]

Pamela Lim’s previous video post has attracted a record number of hits on LoyarBurok. She elaborates on her video with an account of what happened before she started filming and why she acted as she did. This was originally written (on 10 October 2010 at 8.47 pm) as a comment response to hundreds of other comments on the original post and is now reproduced for easy reference.

The video can be viewed here.

I was flagged down after turning right at the junction of Federal Highway adjoining Jalan Gasing/Jalan University. When I stopped the car to ask what I was stopped for, the policeman said I committed an offence, for using the mobile phone without hands-free. I maintained that my phone was on the hands-free speaker and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke but they kept saying that I did not use the hands-free. They asked for my IC and driver’s license in which I complied and gave it to them. As they were holding the summons book, they didn’t read out which Act that I had violated when I asked them what the difference was, between using a hands-free kit and the hands-free speaker.

Then they asked me how I would like to settle the matter. Then I asked them, how do you normally settle matters like this. Then they said, if I want to settle it normally, it would be a hassle for me. Then they waited for my response. I told them, I didn’t think that I have committed an offence per se, but if they say that I have, then I am willing to accept the summons as I’m obviously in the wrong by using the phone according to them. I have always used the handsfree kit but that day, I hadn’t plugged it in and my mistake was answering the phone by putting it on hands-free speaker and was flagged down before I could put the phone on my holster. Look at the video again, my phone holster is stuck on the right of my windscreen.

As they insisted that I was wrong, I insisted that they gave me the summons for it. They began to taunt me with words in Malay and if I hadn’t read the RED BOOK by the Bar Council to know what to do when confronted by the police, I would not know what to do or what to expect next.

I asked them for their names and their ID numbers in which they got defensive. Then I thought if they were going to hassle me further, I might as well record their actions on photographs. I photographed them with my phone so that I have evidence of my encounter with them should I want to challenge the summons in court. They began to yell at me for taking pictures, accusing me of “intimidating” them and that I have no rights to take pictures of their uniform as it was government property. When they began to intimidate me with their words, that was when I switched to video mode.

What followed was all recorded for you to see.

I had no idea what they were getting at except that they were trying to intimidate me to submit to their demands. When they handed me the summons to sign, I wrote on it that “I do not accept as I had handsfree,” the police went livid. There is no law that states that you can’t write anything in protest of a summons for an offence that you do not admit to. Signing the summons denotes acceptance of the summons, not the offence. All the time, I had the video on, filming with my left hand. He shouted at me. Questioning what rights do I have, implying that I should have none when dealing with the police.

He kept questioning me WHO I AM. Does it matter who I am? I am an ordinary citizen who has rights. Does it mean that if I were a “somebody” this treatment would have been different? Does it mean that if I was a somebody, I would be let off? Why was the policeman so adamant in asking me who I was? What difference would it make if they had decided already that I had committed an offence? Or would my offence be a non-offence if they had known how my family had been a close source to the family of the late Tun Razak and the father of our independence, Tunku Abdul Rahman?

When they refused to return my IC and license, beckoning and summoning me to follow them back to the station, I refused and stated my rights and that I will report them for they had “stolen” my IC. That’s when they realised I knew the law. If I had committed an offence and obstructed justice, why didn’t they arrest me? They also refused to issue me the summons until they decided that they flouted the law themselves and returned my IC, license together with the summons issued. THEY REFUSED TO HAND ME THE SUMMONS FOR ME TO GO. This probably did not even occur to you because you didn’t watch the video properly.

These policemen abused their power to talk down to a lady, threatened me by withholding my IC and license and yet demanded the respect at the same time: how is that possible? No one is allowed to hold on to your IC, not even security guards at the condo entry points.

All of you who condemned me obviously had never been in a situation like mine, where you were made to feel small and insignificant for refusing to cower under pressure for an offence that I did not consciously commit. Being a female, I would have been subjected to a lot worse if I was intimidated by them to follow them to goodness-knows-where. I was well aware of the fact that they didn’t have their ID numbers on them and had every reason to be suspicious. In a country where I’m viewed in the same light as a “pendatang” (illegal immigrant) and accused of having an ancestry of prostitutes, I ought to be wary of every encounter with anyone who come across to me in such a manner.

It’s interesting to see how many of you distort the topic of intimidation and threats when the police outnumbered me.

For those who think I shouldn’t be a citizen of Malaysia, you ought to know that I am the descendent of Malaya’s first court interpreter, Peter Lim and can trace back four generations in Malaysia. I am a law abiding citizen and a God-fearing person. I have also compounded my summons and paid the fine. I have decided to make this video public not to seek publicity but to educate the public especially women, on their rights when confronted by the police and when to exercise them. What happened to me, can happen to anybody. I have utmost respect for the police force when they arrest criminals, recover kidnapped children, clamp down on high crimes and solve murder mysteries. I never hesitate to cooperate with them whenever necessary but I will not be intimidated when I refuse to give bribes.

Thank you for your time in giving your comments and being so quick to condemn. You ought to read the RED BOOK. I acted within my rights. I was in my confined space. I had every right to defend myself from unruly behaviour. They could have been more courteous. As a tax payer, we are paying their salaries.

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  1. and if anyone thinks otherwise, then you are equally an idiot. n a dumbass. like red, if he disagrees with me.

  2. okok… u got me. it was not my intention to call u names (i'd rather call pam names). i apologize for hurting yr feelings n u dont have to clean my school toilet now. im glad u think pamela is cocky, cos she is. being a student in this area, im exposed to all kinds of 'rights' and 'wrongs' subjective as they r. hence we do alot of comparative studies in order to determine at what point n in what context something can be argued to be more 'wrong' than 'right'.

    This is not an issue of exercising rights and/or not taking risks. Pamela lacks pragmatism and common sense, she is both patronizing and condescending, and her actions serve no purpose at all. im sorry to say that she is, therefore, an idiot.

    *sorry pam*

  3. mips, you might want to check out the meaning of ranting :) It is angry people who rant.

    at first I was concerned.. but i'm getting increasingly amused.

    like washing toilet and using the kidney to think are useful points :D

    alright, my angry brothers, mips and adrian. it's been fun. but there are other fun things to do. like washing toilet. hehe…

    tada~

  6. ah… an arrogant somebody who never have to clean his own toilet.. it makes sense now…

    well good for you, adrain :)

  7. I am not trying to defend Pam. At one point, I was thinking, "oh no.. looks like I've threaded on some toes.. only a matter of time before Pam herself scolds me too". I did say she sounded cocky which I think was unnecessary on her part.

    I'm just disturbed by the lack of objectivity, by so many who are so quick to pass judgement when we know less than half the story, and espcially by the very very rude name calling. That was uncalled for.

    I have every intention of saving some time for me, thank you. And I clean toilet after each use. There is also the thorough cleaning every now and then. You should try it sometime ;)

    peace brother =)

  8. red, i sort of figured out that yr a 'plain nobody kinda person'. u need to get out n see more of the world before defending that dumbass pamela. u can start by cleaning my school toilet. thanks.

  9. As long as Pamela herself knows i'm not trying to impersonate her, you can let your imagination go wild with who I am.

    as for arrogant… I don't like arrogant people and I would like to believe that I am not. Through my observation, ususally arrogant people are arrogant for a reason. Either they are really rich, have high authority, very smart, or very good looking. I'm an average plain nobody kinda person whose got absolutely nothing to be arrogant about.

  10. Pamela people like you are the one that causing the racial tension in the country

    acting like you are the victim and all pfftt

    your head is full of shit and racism

  11. pathetic drama queen

    your fake accent is pathetic

    your life is pathetic

    you are pathetic

    please stop pretending to post under different username to make it look like alot people are supporting you, you just making yourself look more pathetic

  12. red, dont try to get all intelectual on me. unlike u, i am straightforward. pamela is a pain. u r a pain for trying to defend that condescending fruitcake. now stop wasting yr time airing yr dumbass views n start cleaning some toilets. peace out.

  13. sigh.. here we go again.. another who is quick to anger.. well, if I AM a dumbass, it would not be my fault or something of my choosing now, would it? Would this not be categorized as a personal attack? You could just call me dumb (-ass).

    I found MC and Shamadz reasonable. But then to you, adrain my opinions don't count because I'm a dumbass. And you are entitled to your opinion :)

    I'm sorry to hear your school toilet is dirty. Maybe that is why you are in a bad mood today. It is only reasonable to expect dumb people to make stupid views. Please don't let that further sour your mood on top of the dirty toilet :)

  15. Hi shamadz72,

    Politeness goes a long way. I deal with police on other occasions and my experience tell me many of them are nice and helpful. It just can't help that my blood is boiling whenever come to traffic police.

    This is my own experience. Let me break it into 2 scenarios.

    1. I know I didn't commit any offence.

    Like the above incident, I explain politely but the policeman insist I am at fault. So I just write down his name and ID so I can file a complaint. If he is right, he shouldn't be worry about my complain, we can argue in court. But instead he got angry and shout.

    2. Oh shit. I am speeding/ran red light.

    I admitted I commit the offence and after the *hinting*, I pretend didn't receive the "settling" hint, and said "ok" for the summon. (you know they always take the book and prepare to write something). Every time they will just take my IC + License and walk away to attend other cars that got pulled over. So here goes another 10-15 wait before they come back take another 15min to write the summon but half of the time, they will just give warning and let me go.

    I guess because of all these experience over the years that make me feel angry and blood boiling whenever got pullover by traffic police.

  16. attention Shamadz and MC.

    *my sincere apologies in advance for being rude (at least i'm honest about it)*

    Red is a Dumbass. he/she might as well be pamela in disguise, thats why u clearminded folks are unable to reason with Red. Red is just as arrogant as Pamela (and possibly more patronizing). Red should be cleaning my school toilet instead of airing his stupid views that annoy right-minded ppl. thank you.

  18. Pamela,

    It's one thing to know your rights, and it's another to abuse your rights. You took it too far.

    You committed an offence period. If you phone is not on a holster when you are driving then you shouldn't be answering calls – put your phone on the holster before moving. There is no such thing as a hands-free speaker – it's LOUD speaker. The law very clearly states using HANDS-FREE kits, regardless of whether it's on loud speaker or not. Your hands as you have admitted were not free of your phone.

    What makes it worse is to read your admission to taking a turn on the Federal Highway while holding your phone – so you were turning your wheel with one hand? And this I suppose, you think is legal and within your rights as a citizen?

    If the cops were indeed insinuating bribery (I refuse to accept this as fact, since it is only your statement, and I don't find you a very credible source at this point) then your reaction should been to decline, request for your summon and report them to the Anti Rasuah Hotline. Taunting them was completely uneccessary and disrespectful. Yes, the police have had their share of faults, but in this situation you were way out of line.

    And as others have mentioned racila attack is uncalled for. Dropping names is absolutely distasteful – so what is your ancestor was the first interpreter? Does that make any of us lesser citizens? Yes the commemts thrown at you were shrewd, that makes those who say it disgraceful – but you a preacher of rights and respect to stoop so low.

    All this and you were in the wrong to, shame on you.

    P/S: Since it matters to you, I'm 3rd generation Malaysian Indian, with an ancestorial line of men who were all the first of kind to serve the government in their respective fields.

  19. Red,

    To add more to my point, I believed it is time for any traffic offence that cause a life of innocent victim been category automatically as 'involuntary manslaughter not amounting to murder' in the court case.

  20. I'm with you on treating traffic offence seriously. Someone fwd me pictures of a tragic accident on our North-South highway in Seremban over the weekend. It was horrifying. The pain, suffering of the suvivors. The pointless deaths. The sorrow of the loved ones.

    When I see accidents with a huge crowd, I normally look away, and mutter a quick prayer asking for mercy and that hopefully there will be minimal pain and suffering. I could never make myself look. Images like that scare me. If there is no crowd, I call the emergency number.

    Thanks for sharing, MS. I agree that we should all be slower to anger & provoke, and quicker on the smiles and automatic with mutual courtesy ;)

  21. aku x tau apa kena dengan perempuan ni. apa masalah ko? ada sakit mental?

    kesalahan dah nyata, bayar jela saman. kalau xnak bayar masuk court. sana cerita la. ini lagi mau kecoh2 rekod video, upload dalam internet. tgk apa sudah jadi? sekarang sudah jadi kecoh pasal sikit punya hal.

    kalau kamu dah tak percaya pada undang-undang Malaysia, kalau dah tak percaya pada local police officer. sama siapa lagi kamu nak percaya? kata rakyat malaysia..hormatilah undang2 dan pihak berkuasa. ini tidak. Takda sifat hormat! berlakon jadi pandai.

    ya mmg kamu boleh rekod apa sahaja. tapi kalau dah polis minta jangan rekod. show yr respect lah. Jangan rekod. ini kamu provoke lagi polis. kamu teruskan rekod. mana sifat hormat menghormati? buku kerajaan pun kamu conteng. IC & license sudah tentu polis ada hak untuk pegang..ini kamu lagi menuduh polis mencuri. sungguh kelakar tabiat kamu itu. haha.

    nak tunjuk pandai dalam undang2, tp undang2 Malaysia pun masih tak faham.

    seperti awal yg saya katakan. hidup di Malaysia ini mudah. Hormat menghormati sesama kita, hormat pada pihak berkuasa, patuhi undang-undang. ini tidak, lagi mau cabar pihak berkuasa. sikap apakah ini?? macamana Malaysia mau aman? sikap seperti kamu PAM memang buruk, Sikap yang menunjukkan kebodohan kamu sendiri, menunjukkan sikap kamu yg tidak ada rasa hormat, sikap yg besar kepala. org seperti kamu tidak layak untuk memandu di jalan raya Malaysia. menyusahkan org ramai, pihak berkuasa, malah menyusahkan kami sebagai pengguna di Internet ini

  22. There was once, I got waved to the side by the police at a roadblock. I pulled over and got off my motorcycle. I noticed the patch on the guy's arm, so I greeted, "Slamat pagi, sarjan."

    I didn't even have a chance to take out my license. He looked at me once over and told me to carry on… A little respect goes a long way.

  23. BTW Red, why I am interested with this subject is because of my personal experience of seeing with my own eyes of an accident happened due to driver using his handphone (like Pam). Refer to my previous posting on that tragic incident. That event really shape up my thinknig that it is high time our authority and public at large to start treating traffic offence like any other crime seriously.

  24. Well, the vids tell us everything PAM..telling us your bad attitude.

    this matter will not spreading fasten if u follow below steps:

    a) accept your mistake

    b) ask for forgiveness

    c) respect the local authority

    d) respect each others

    d) know more Malaysia Law

    Normally., when the police officer came to us. Might be something bad happen that we did. As a normal citizen, we smile & try to be kind and then ask to the officer.."Yes sir, what is my fault?" Then the policemen will answer what problem that we created. At this time, we kept smiling and do a negotiation with a big hope the police will release us.

    but what happen to you PAM? u made police angry with u. u didnt give any respect to our local police. They have right to keep your IC & license,.why must u scold them back with your statement "mencuri"..many of us laugh at u. Laughing because of your stupidity. U said about 'hak sebagai rakyat'..just look at you, we dont have any idea how many years u lived in Malaysia. maybe 30years..in 30 years u can;t speak well in bahasa. poor of you.

    Live in Malaysia simple. Just follow the rules, respect each others, respect the law, & make kindness to everybody. DO not ever think u r smart enough.

  27. If you think it is a simple question, why don’t you answer it? :)

    I whould rephrase that…

    If you think it is a simple question, why are you asking me?

    It must be to insinuate that I have implied somewhere in post that I "means provoking them on video to see how they respond"

    And I am tehrefore asking you to point out where I have implied that. this would hopefully make you reread my post and find that I have not. But if you do manage to find that I had, I apologize for provoking a cop and not fearing a cop unnecesarily are 2 completely different things

  28. well for starters I'm sure they wouldn't cane her like what someone suggested. Nor do I think they would hold on to her ID if the law says they can't do that. But I certainly have no idea what they would or can do. I'm not from the law enforcement. If you are, please shade some light.

    Likle I said there is still much to be learn of this situation and how it should be handled.

    ANd i'm not going to pretend I know.

    If you think it is a simple question, why don't you answer it? :)

    by the way, how is

    "So not fearing the police means provoking them on video to see how they respond?"

    related to

    "I am asking you a simple question here. In your opinion, been pulled over by cops in other countries before, how do you think the cops would react to Pam’s provocation? I am asking a simple question isn’t it? :)"

    instead of focusing on playing judge when we only have less than half the story, we should focus on finding out what are the correct procedures and learn from it.

    simple request, no? :)

  29. Red,

    I am asking you a simple question here. In your opinion, been pulled over by cops in other countries before, how do you think the cops would react to Pam's provocation? I am asking a simple question isn't it? :)

  31. how would you know how traffic offences are handled in other countries?

    personally I have been pulled over by cops twice in different states in the US for different reasons. They asked for ID. They looked at it. And then they returned it even though they would not be able to tell if the ID was fake or not. I explained myself without being cocky though I was nervous. Both times I was let off with a warning.

    I still don't get how armed men are intimidated by camera

    what exactly was the police trying to do that pam obstructed? pam comitted traffic offence. cop job was to issue the summons to discourage further traffic offences, and then be on their way. which in the end was what they did. how did pam obstruct? she can scribble and draw flowers on the summons but so what? Is it also the cops' duty to make sure the sumons is in crisp and new? Well I don't know. If the answer is 'yes', you've caught my curiosity.

    maybe the ic was fake? maybe the police were fake. maybe they were off duty. maybe they are looking for a bribe.. maybe this.. maybe that.. Maybe not as clear as crytal anymore? :)

  34. umm…. I don't know about the spreading fear part..

    the video is a recording of what transpired.

    as a viewer, if you think you would be fearful in Pamelas shoes under those circumstances, then you would be agreeing that there is reason to fear the police. Else, if after viewing, you reaction was, "bah.. what is there to fear?" Then there is no fear, right? :)

    Besides, looks to me like Pamela was encouraging others to know their rights and not be intimidated. If there was anything that she was spreading it is 'not to fear the police unnecessarily'

    incompetency appears at every level in our sociaty. pamela may have read the little red book by nazri to learn that no one (not even the police) can keep/confiscate her ID, but i don't think she can plug all the holes for us. Sure damn wish she could. But that would be wishful thinking, if you know what I mean ;) Everyone of us, every member of our society needs improvement, and this includes our police.

  35. Red,

    My personal opinion, based ONLY and ONLY (on the video clip recording sent by Pam), it is crystal clear that she is the one that doing the intimidation here. In any other country, she could have been easily charged with trying to obstruct policeman doing his job, on top of whatever traffic offences she gonna get. Don't you agree on my observation?

    On the manners, one of the policeman did seems to lose his cool as with Pam and for that both are at wrong here.

    As for the policeman asking Pam to follow her to Balai, while holding her IC & driving license, I don't see anything wrong there. What if the policeman suspects that the IC or driving license is a fake one? They certainly has the right to hold on to it and request Pam to follow them to Balai for further investigation. The mistake for the policeman is not to tell Pam which balai she should go to.

    I believed in that situation, the policeman should have call a police tow truck or something whenever they are meeting with stuborn citizen who just refuse to cooperate. (This is just how I view of Pam's behaviour, solely based on the video evidence).

  36. At least we'd have one less person on the web spreading fear of the police. Significant, don't you think? :)

  37. MS, our last PM tried that and failed after 4 years. What makes you think ONE police at the entry level will make a difference? :D

  38. I would hate a job where I had to ride the streets on a motorcycle, dealing with the sun, the rain and people like Pamela. I'm glad my tax money goes to paying someone else to take up that responsibility. Pamela, if you think our policemen are so incompetent, maybe you should sign up yourself.

  39. Yes I have. Twice. While there was no proof of bribery attempt, there wasn't any proof that it was not in their initial intent either. The police would have to be downright idiots to go ahead with bribery with the camera on them now, wouldn't they?

    Anyway, it is precisely because there is still so much more to find out and understand (about what truly truspired, about having hearing the cops' side of the story, and of the law and police standard procedures for traffic offences) that I wished people would stop being to quick to take sides.

    In reference to your statement, "Have it occurs to you that he probably afraid you might know someone who will enable you to pull some string here and land them in trouble, regardless whether the police officer is right or wrong here", it shows that both civilians ans law officers don't trust the justice system to be just. In no way am I saying that who was trying to intimidate who. If the cops did no wrong, why be intimidated? They could have lodge a report of the recording (if illegal) and send her another summons for that to her address. If the cops are initimidated by a camera, doesn't Pamela have more reason to be intimidated by 2 men with a gun each? Maybe that is why she recorded the event so that the police behaved themselves and perhaps stopped pestering for bribe. If we are going to speculate, there would be no end.

    When she mentioned the last 4 generation of her family it was in the context of a reply to those who have refered to her as a pendatang.

    I agree with berani kerana benar. That is in the ideal world but we're kidding ourselves if we think that curcumstances in our country is ideal. And if caning is the punishment by law for using a cocky tone, then more than half of commentators who posted rude comments here should be shipped as well.

    For me, things are still unclear. I fail to see how it is so for you. Sam and KF Chan has raised some good questions and points on another related post with which I fully agree here https://www.loyarburok.com/human-rights/express-yo… Until we know the answers to these, and hear the police sie of the story, we should not jump to conclusions. We can only speculate but we should not sound too confident and speak of it like it is a fact. But we should refrain from getting emotional about it and resort to personal attack.

    It is like we're complaining Pam is cocky rude etc but we're no better if we start calling her names. Agree? 2 wrongs do not make a right.

    For the record I didn't see you, shamadz72 posting anything rude or emotional so far. that part was directed to those who were rude and emotinal. It has so far been only unemotional exchange of views form you. thanks :)

  40. Red,

    I wondered whether you have gone through the video clip posted by Pam? In the video, there is nothing at all been suggested that there is any bribery attempt. What is clear from the video is that it was her who has been rude to the two police officer? Don't you agree with me on this?

    As it is, we should just consider the video evidence (regardless of what Pam said happened earlier on before she turn on the recording), since it is just her hearsay evidence and the two officers didn't have their chances to come out with their version of event on how things transpired.

    As to your question, I believed nobody should be above the law. It seems to me that Pam is the one trying to intimidate (by even suggesting in his writing and bragging that she knew someone from ex-pm family members etc). For me, it is clear, she is the one that need to be cane here for her action. If she thinks otherwise, just bring up the matters in her police report and challenge the summon in our court of law and not just trying to seek 1 lobsided view on the internet (where the two police officers can't even defend their act).

    Remember 'Berani kerana benar'…

  41. shamadz72

    that's the whole point. people who do right aren't suppose to have to fear.

    A) If Pamela is right, she should have nothing to fear. But what if the police did intimidate her? What if it was the police who was rude to her first?

    B) If the cops are right, they have nothing to fear. So what if she takes their Police ID and picture? But what if Pamela knew a police insider occupying a big chair?

    Well then, this just shows how much trust we have in our system. THe civilians don't trust the police and justice system. ANd the police themselves don't trust it. It is a system that those who are in the right are always afraid. Afraid that the wrong is stronger. Afraid that the law will not protect them when it should.

    It will always be the bully who has the right connections who can do as they please. To hell with the "rights" to hell with the law. I know so-an-so and can therefore do as I please.

    So with your question, you are agreeing with Pamela that the police would not summoning her (even if she did commit an offence) IF she was SOMEBODY's someone or KNEW somebody who is a SOMEBODY.

    That's not how things are suppose to be, right?

  42. Hi Silembu,

    Sorry to hear about your experience. Based on my experience, when you are dealing with policeman, try not to be rude with them or trying to insult their intelligence (like what Pam has done by insisting that turning on speaker on her handphone means she was on hands free). This rule applied to everywhere you goes even when dealing with policeman in other countries. I bet she will end up worst such as land up in jail, should she has done that same act when dealing with Singaporean police officer. Don't you think so?

    If you didn't commit any wrong doing, just accept the summon and challenge it in our court of law. That is all.

    I personally had 3 experience dealing with Policeman on road and in 2 of the incidents, i was given a summon and which I accept it graciously (and admit my mistake) and another one, I was just given a stern warning not to repeat it again.

    Remember, the police officers are just human being, and just like us, we don't like anyone to be rude to us too. Right?

    In Pam's video clip, there is nothing been said or insinuate that the Policeman is trying to ask for bribery. What Pam should do (if she is right), she should have told the policeman that she is going to turn of the video mode on her phone and pretending to turn it off, while letting recording to go on and then try to ask the policeman what he meant by 'to settle' it etc. This will give her enough credibility and proof that the two officers were trying to ask for bribery.

    As it is, based on the video evidence given by her, it only shows that she was the one on the wrong end by trying to bully the two officers.

  43. I fully agree and support Ed Soo's stand on this. Please do comment if you do agree or disagree but vulgarity should not be used.

  44. Hi shamadz72,

    Didn't think of that at that time. I remember I am very angry as well. Luckily my mom sit next to me and told me to keep calm. He didn't ask who am I but just keep shouting why I wrote his name and ID down.

    Well, every time I got pull over by a policeman, first thing in my mind was "Shit, here goes my hard earn money".

    Or whenever I see a road block "hah…cari makan again."

    Tell me if anyone think differently.

  45. PAMELA is just playing the victim because she HAS THE PENDATANG mentality.

    If not, she wouldnt raise the pendatang issue.

    If you are rude, donbt blame others to scold you.

    PAMELA, you are rude. When people asked you not to take pictures of them, you should just listen to what they request. IT IS THEIR RIGHT NOT TO BE FILMED!!

    PAMELA thinks she is right. But from the video, she really is wrong.

    Double wrong dont make it right.

    Scribbling onn other people's office document. Bodoh ka you Pamela?

    What if I scribble something on your report paper?

    You like ah?

    Loyar Burok, why are you condoning PAMELA's actions? Are you having PENDATANG mentality as well?

    You made series of articles defending her now. You are equally rude.

    Please approve this comment.

  47. Silembu,

    Have it occurs to you that he probably afraid you might know someone who will enable you to pull some string here and land them in trouble, regardless whether the police officer is right or wrong here?

  48. Dear Pamela,

    Yes, the comments were hurtful, offensive and some are downright racist and I condemn these comments in the strongest of terms.

    But I wonder why you decided to bring up the ‘pendatang’ issue.

    “In a country where I’m viewed in the same light as a “pendatang” (illegal immigrant) & accused of having an ancestry of prostitutes, I ought to be wary of every encounter with anyone who come across to me in such a manner.”

    and

    “For those who think I shouldn’t be a citizen of Malaysia, you ought to know that I am the descendent of Malaya’s first court interpreter, Peter Lim & can trace back four generations in Malaysia.”

    These I think were totally un-called for.

    Why did you have to bring race into the issue?

    I know, Ahmad Ismail called you non-Malays pendatang. I know, the BTN director allegedly called Chinese “Si Sepet”. Yes, the headmistress in Johor spewed racist venom.

    But not all Malays are that like that, you know.

    And for you to immediately view these two policeman as someone who sees you as a pendatang simply because of their ethnicity, that to me is racial prejudice on your part.

    Yes, some of the commentators made it racial. But you did not have to resort to that.

  49. I didn't watch the video but I know the feeling of police intimidation. Few years back I had a similar incident which too bad the camera phone was not so popular then. I was soft and politely explained I didn't ran any red light and do give me a summon but I will file a complaint. He is so pissed and angry after I wrote down his name and ID number. But he did walkaway without give me any summon after I tear the paper. Perhaps he is trying his luck.

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