For Malaysian Gays, Hope For A Better Tomorrow

3 true Malaysian stories, 5 appeals, and a singular hope for a better tomorrow.

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True Malaysian Story No 1: When she turned 13, Alia’s father kicked her out of the house for dressing like a girl. As a child, Alia knew she was a girl, so she couldn’t understand why her father kept scolding and beating her up for it – “You’re a boy, act like a boy!” Alia went and stayed with another transsexual.

They faced constant harassment from police and religious officers and counted themselves lucky when the worst they got was just extortion (some of her friends weren’t so lucky).

Since nobody would give her a job, she was hungry all the time and had to sell her body to survive. When she was 17, she found out she was infected with HIV. She started working for a HIV organisation and saved enough to have a sex reassignment surgery. She also took up a part-time course and received her diploma in draftsmanship.

Alia went back to her kampung to show to her father that she had made something of herself. When she reached her kampung, she found out her father had passed away. She never got the chance.

True Malaysian Story No 2: On the day he was to go back to UK to continue his studies, Chris’s parents asked him, “Son, are you gay?” He told them the truth. That afternoon itself, they kicked him out of the home and cut off his allowance and funding. He couldn’t continue his studies. A month later, however, still not quite settled, Chris received a call from his mom. Let’s reconcile, she said, come back and we’ll talk.

When he got home, his parents had called the cops, who took him to a police station and then to a hospital where his father asked the psychiatric unit to cure his son of homosexuality. But homosexuality is no longer regarded as a mental illness by the psychiatric profession worldwide. Two days later, Chris was discharged, but not before he had to pay the hospital fees with money borrowed from friends.

Acceptance is a family value, too

We like to lament that this country will become too liberal and permissive if we allow homosexuality and transsexualism. We believe that these ‘vices’ are tearing up families and societies. But see for yourselves, my friends, just who is tearing up who.

How many children do we want to kick out into the streets before we feel safe? What kind of a country is this where we consistently subject the most vulnerable segments of our population to more violence and discrimination? We have hatred in the streets, in the parliament, and in the homes. Have we gotten so used to hatred that we need to punish love now?

During a speech at The Annexe Gallery in Kuala Lumpur last year, Marina Mahathir questioned the logic behind the popular assertion that homosexuality causes societal collapse.

She said that if families accepted their children for who they are, there won’t be any breaking up of families. They go on being a family. And since families make up the fundamental units of society, if society consists of loving healthy families, how will it collapse?

If we promote healthy, responsible, respectful relationships, regardless of choice of partners, then we are likely to get healthy, responsible, respectful society.

Pang co-edited this book that was recently seized by authorities.

Pang co-edited this book that was recently seized by the Home Ministry to undergo "scrutiny."

Appeal No 1: Perhaps families need learn to manage our expectations for our children’s future more realistically and stop imposing our dreams over their dreams, stop being so violent to their hopes. But wait, people would say, we weren’t encouraging violence and hate!

Yet by advocating the idea that homosexuals are somehow “morally disordered” as the Catholic preacher said in his response to Rev Ouyang Weng Feng, we are condoning the prejudice, the disgust, the hatred. How else should people react to those who are ‘morally disordered’?

Even people who sit on their armchairs and surmise, “Oh, I don’t mind homosexuals, but I don’t approve of their lifestyle” are encouraged to assume that their approvals are highly sought after for someone else’s life.

Disapproval snowballs into disgust, disgust avalanches into violence, until somewhere, a family throws its innocent child into the streets to fend for himself, a bunch of guys rape a lesbian to ‘correct’ her, some officers beat up a mak nyah till she lays lifeless in the drain, her life not even worth two paragraphs in the news the next day.

And we say no, we didn’t beat her up, we didn’t condone that violence. Yet our words did that long ago. Words like “sick”, “immoral”, “pervert.” Words we uttered yesterday become sticks and stones in somebody else’s hands tomorrow. The child, the lesbian, the mak nyah were all defenceless against them. So go ahead, tell them you are doing this to them to ‘protect’ traditional family values. It is easy to debate about homosexuality when it doesn’t affect you.

On Malaysiakini recently, folks happily weighed in with opinions, facts, scriptures and outright condemnation, citing everything from theology to biology to the suggestion that people are justified in beating up gays. So macho, kan? Have we forgotten we are talking about real people here? That out there, tragedies are being enacted in the name of “religion”, “national security”, ‘Asian values’ and what have you.

Appeal No 2: Have we taken the time to really understand and listen to the other side? It is easy to condemn others, it is easy to accept a conclusion first and then find justifications later. How prepared are we to accept that not only were we grievously wrong but that our actions have resulted in so much pain and suffering?

Six times more likely

Pang Khee Teik

Pang Khee Teik

True Malaysian Story No 3: For 12 years of my life, I stopped myself from falling in love with men. From the age of 14 till I was 26, I tried to go straight. I took an active part in church, I lead fellowships, I wrote church musicals. I prayed and fasted and went for church camps. I sang the loudest during worship – I was so annoying! – and desperate for God to hear me! Nothing worked.

Now, all of us recall bouts of depression during our teenage years. For LGBTs, (Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgenders) our teen years appear like one long nightmarish bout from which we never wake. Statistically, we are six times more likely to kill ourselves than our straight peers.

Trust me, it is that bad, and then some. Most gays realise we are attracted to the same sex even before puberty and in our teens, we soon discover we are unlike our peers. We are also told we are “freaks”, “criminals”, “monsters”, “sinners”, “abominations” and deserve to be punished, rejected and beaten up.

We are confused – we didn’t choose to feel this way, and we certainly don’t want to be so freakish, but the feelings won’t go away. We believe something might be fundamentally wrong with us. Frightened of being an outcast, we conform to social demands. We learn to hide our sexuality, resigned to a life pretending to be what we are not.

Before we know it, we are adults and it gets a little harder to stop the act. The game gets more complex, the web of deception so elaborate we cannot risk breaking one thread without compromising everything we have worked for.

We marry, we have kids, we get promoted, we take on a same-sex lover on the side, maybe find a quick relief with anonymous encounters, a masseur, an escort. Our lives choreographed between two realities, one in which we please everyone else, and one in which we please our inner heart. And we pray that these worlds never collide.

But one day, we get careless and we are found out. Secrets, lies, guilt, shame. The picture is ugly. It is a morally unjustifiable scenario, and this is largely the perception of homosexuality for the rest of the world.

A dirty, shameful affair. Nobody thinks back to how as children, we were first taught that in order to survive, it is better to pretend.

Appeal No 3: Imagine what it is like. Imagine children or teenagers growing up with such profound loneliness, confusion, fear, guilt, self-hatred. Imagine living everyday of our lives being afraid we will lose our jobs, our friends, our families, our homes, our very lives, should someone find out who we really are. Imagine the cruelty of being forced to live this way.

Let me love

Then there are those who would rather not pretend. They try for a cure. At one point, I joined a Christian support group that promised to help gay men “recover” from homosexuality.

A few of the men in the group have now married to women and have children. But they also told me they never completely got rid of their attraction to men. They just learned to just suppress it, as they now have a family to think of. For most of us, the desires don’t go away. I don’t wish to end up like them.

After 12 years of long lonely nights, I asked myself: What is wrong with a man loving another man? Nobody could give me a satisfactory answer. Is it unnatural? So are nylon, plastic surgery and antibiotics but there are no laws against them. Is it uncommon? So is being albino, but they receive equal rights. Is it sinful? So is living a lie, being a hypocrite. So I decided for myself that 12 years of misery is enough.

I will not marry a woman and pretend to love her and shut up my heart. I will not sacrifice the rest of my life because others are unable to accept my choice for happiness. If your happiness depends on my unhappiness, then I will no longer trust your judgment. I will not live my life according to what someone else thinks is a sin for him.

Appeal No 4: If my relationship doesn’t hurt anyone, doesn’t take advantage of anyone, doesn’t deprive someone else of his or her rights, why does everyone want to take it away from me? If my loving someone doesn’t prevent you from loving who you love, then please let me love. Nobody is forcing you to be gay, so don’t be forcing me to be straight.

Appeal No 5: So stop blaming LGBTs for breaking up families with our “selfish choices.” What choice? Nobody chooses a life of stigma and discrimination! And what are we breaking up apart from our parents’ equally selfish expectations?

Parents of previous generations used to expect children to take on certain approved career choices, marry spouses of certain ethnicity, give birth to children of certain sex. Our parents have defied some of these expectations themselves. Have they forgotten what it was like? Is it not enough for children to be happy, independent and productive?

Emotional rationales

The truth is, if we are willing to understand more, the information is at our fingertips – just Google: biological and psychological causes, nature and nurture, genetics and epigenetics, interpretations and translations of religious texts.

Many old pop theories have also been debunked: homosexuals are products of domineering mothers and absentee fathers (nope, so many families are like that and most turn out heterosexuals), homosexuality is psychologically unsound (nope, but a lifetime of lying and hiding may result in neuroses), homosexual practices lead to more diseases (nope, no more than heterosexual practices).

Also new insights into historical times have uncovered how the politics of the era produced the early homophobic legislation and Biblical translations we are left with today. Many of these arguments are rational and should appeal to anyone calm enough to see empirical evidences and researched for what they are.

Yet, there is much resistance to these evidences. So maybe some of our reasons are not rational ones but emotional ones. All of us feel we have something at stake. The homosexuals have our lives at the mercy of the majority, and those against homosexuality believe that our families, religion, society, even the future of humankind, are under threat.

Abstract fears sound really scary, they begin in the imagination and end in apocalypse. Those who claim there is a ‘gay agenda’ insist that it is out to seduce vulnerable children and destroy families. However, studies have shown that many children come to their own realisation of their sexuality, and that majority of child molesters are heterosexuals.

Mind you, if you ask around, most gay men’s agenda is to be left alone. As homosexuality affects only a small percentage of the population, treating homosexuals as humans will not suddenly cause people to turn homosexual. That is not even a logical premise.

Naturally, since many of us begin with an emotional premise, it will be hard to be persuaded by any argument if our emotions are not addressed first. Most of our emotions regarding this are a result of a lack of knowledge on the issue which had been used to magnify our fears. But most of the fears are completely unfounded.

So, it is time to move on, accept and learn. Perhaps the media is partly to blame with its tendency to sensationalise. The recent AFP report entitled Gay community begins to push the limits may give the impression that gays are out on the offensive – testing the limits of decency, or as a Malaysiakini letter said, ‘imposing their lifestyles on others’.

Imposing my what? Irony check: For centuries, the state has imposed its lifestyles upon us and now when we resist just a little, we are the ones imposing our lifestyles? If anything, it is society that has pushed its limits into us; we are merely trying to claim back our own lives, a chance to live and love like everyone else.

Peace of mind

A few years ago, a minister, commenting on homosexual rights, said that individuals should respect society’s rights to peace of mind. How is that equitable? How can you pitch society against one person? For society’s peace of mind, some innocent people should go to jail, be insulted daily, be beaten up or live their lives forever in fear of all the above?

Here are some suggestions for better things to lose one’s peace of mind to: corruption, racism, chauvinism, increased crime rate, the bursting economic bubble.

To those who believe that homosexuality will cause the collapse of society, let me assure you that it is all these other things we are neglecting while we busy ourselves with other people’s private lives that will bring about our ruin.

Honestly, gays are not your problem. For once, I wish straight people will just take ownership of the way they had screwed up society with their machismo and insecurities and stop blaming gays for it. Then together we can work to repair the problems.

The AFP report also claimed there is such a thing as a ‘gay movement’ in Malaysia. As far as I know, there isn’t one. Malaysian gays are too busy getting by with what little rights they have. For the last three years, what we have had is just a coalition of sexual rights activists, comprising of organisations like Suaram, the PT Foundation, Malaysian Bar Council, Kryss, Empower, as well as many concerned individuals, straight and LGBT.

As many of us don’t even know our own rights, our concern for now is simply to remind ourselves that we have these rights as Malaysians. Especially the right for each person to be responsible for his or her own body.

We just want to empower the community, appeal for understanding, help families come together, create safe spaces, nurse our wounds, sing some songs, hope for a better tomorrow.

We also organise an annual sexuality rights festival called Seksualiti Merdeka where we uphold sexuality rights as part of human rights.

For Malaysians who think that human rights are not Malaysian values, let me break it down for you: the practise of human rights means you cannot practise it while taking away somebody else’s rights, and vice versa. It is a fair deal, no? Unless we are saying being unfair and taking away rights are Malaysian values. No? I hope so.

Yasmin Ahmad once recalled Tagore saying that a strong civilisation is judged by the compassion it shows to its weakest. I believe Malaysia can still be that kind of a country, if we all want it to be.

LB: Pang Khee Teik is the Arts Programme Director for The Annexe Gallery, Kuala Lumpur, where he co-founded the sexuality rights festival Seksualiti Merdeka and the monthly film screening “Queer As Films” to empower the queer community of Malaysia. In 2009, he was co-editor (with Jerome Kugan) of “Body 2 Body: A Malaysian Queer Anthology”, published by Matahari Books. Pang is the former editor of Kakiseni.com, and has been an actor, writer and photographer. In 2010, Pang received the Cross Cultural Champion Of The Arts Award at the Boh Cameronian Arts Awards.

This article first appeared in Malaysiakini. In addition to joining the discussion in our comments section below, do also view the comments generated on Malaysiakini.

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Pang Khee Teik is a freelance arts consultant, curator and writer. He is known as the co-founder of the sexuality rights festival Seksualiti Merdeka and former Arts Programme Director for The Annexe Gallery, Kuala Lumpur. In 2013, he completed an MA in Gender, Sexuality & Culture at Birkbeck College, University of London, under the Chevening Scholarship.

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54 Responses to For Malaysian Gays, Hope For A Better Tomorrow

  1. Ahmad

    Whatever moral justifications to criminalize homosexuality are not important. The only reason people hate it simply because it is against the norm. People don't hate it because it is against the teachings of some religions. It's a coincidence that their measurement of morality fits that of the religions. Come on, how many the so-called religious heterosexual men out there hooking up with prostitutes or engaging with extramarital sexual intercourse? Aren't those prohibited? Are those less sinful than being gay?

    Recently there was a case in which a wife found out that her husband was having an affair with another guy and that really devastates her. I sympathize with her, I really do. But does it make it any less painful if the person her husband was having an affair with was a woman?

    However, as a closeted gay Muslim (I don't practice homosexual lifestyle either mind you), all I ever wanted is to be left alone. I know this is against what Seksualiti Merdeka is fighting for. I do appreciate the efforts, but I don't think it's going to succeed. In fact, this move could be somewhat detrimental to the LGBT. Now the public feels that as if there is a secret movement out there trying to convert straight men gay. Probably it will even make parents more likely to disown their LGBT children because it is so embarrassing now that everyone is talking about it.

    I know, we all have explanations. Yes, Pang's writing is a splendid one but you could see from the comments how people still don't get it? I do have my own sad stories about being a gay person and told some of my friends about it. But out of all those guys, only one or two who could truly understand it. They will never get it. And you think people in the US or UK get it too? I don't think so. Despite being legal, LGBT still face opposition and even death threats. Let alone in Malaysia. I am just grateful that we are not like countries in the Middle East which prosecute the gay people.

    And to LGBT out there, I don't mean to be pessimistic, just being realistic. If you think you can handle the heat, go ahead and 'come out' but make sure you know what you are getting yourself into. If you don't, just lay low and take care of yourself. Remember what happened to the "Saya Gay saya Okay" guy? Where is he now? If I am not mistaken his video was taken off Youtube soon after because he was facing death threats and grave condemnation from all angles. Yes, life is unfair.

  2. erm

    good post.Hang in there.I'll try my best here too..

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  6. I love love love this article, Pang.

    I hate hate hate how preachy and judgmental some people are.

    You are telling people that they are sinners because of something that is ingrained within themselves, which simply doesn't make sense. It's about time that all these discriminatory practices stop. People from the LGBT society are just that, people. Like the rest of us.

    And you know what? This is coming from a straight person.

  7. hi Yuki Choe :

    My replies are full of errors from 'cut and paste-ism' that must be glaringly obvious but thanks for the kind words Yuki. LGBT is a challenging subject matter to broach and discuss, and it is your passionate struggle for identity and clarity against the 'sheltered' and 'narrow' cucu, that brought this conversation to life. For sure in no little measure, we all introduced the LGBT issue to the browsers of Loyar Burok and hopefully the rest of the world as well.

    Omissions :

    It’s good to be sheltered and specialised (in an) insular (cultural cocoon) . . .

    But to mistake diversity or differences (for an attack on your religious or personal beliefs) . . .

    Well, “choice”, “lifestyle” and “preference” should only be used to describe people who adopted LGBT sexual orientation after being heterosexual then. Can't really apply to everyone yes. To rephrase to be properly definitive, the word 'sexual orientation' could be included for clarity and inclusiveness.

    By who they are, LGBT's variation in sexual culture breeds greater intelligence, creativity and open mindedness, as they are given greater opportunity to participate in governance eventually, the world would be less black and white to allow for the comfortable nuances of grey that could certainly absorb extremes of thought and action, to a better world. I hope cucu and all others like him feel more comfortable with LGBT after this exposition of the thoughts and feelings we have exchanged on LGBT here. LGBT really isn't that difficult or weird to understand! Hey cucumanga, wanna give another shot at the LGBT thing? And Yuki don't bother counter attacking, or you will be harming a person lacking certain brain cells for empathy. How about nurturing the lost soul instead? Someone has to be the adult after all . . .

    Do drop a message or an email at my comment group when free to stay in touch. Don't mind the occasional uncorrected errata, rare truncated sentence or extreme wanderings of some of the comments there. Biased preferences, general inanity(insanity), thought provoking stuff etc..

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=31851551532

  8. @AgreeToDisagree,

    As much as you err in the usage of "choice", "lifestyle" and "preference" to describe sexual orientation in your comments, I appreciate your stance on the fence in this discussion. And truly, this is a rare occassion. It is amazing that among the culture of people here in LB, there exists people who are at bliss to be in complete ignorance and denial of LGBTs.

    I also find it shocking to find someone dismissing an individual just because the individual do not fit into his shallow stereotypes. True enough, it has been a torrid journey in which some of us successfully negotiated through the torns and found greener pastures; it is appalling that one would attempt to call these battles won as glorification or right movement thingy that sucks, and our quest for equality as an "ideology". And he claims to be a lawyer? His level understanding, knowledge and wisdom fail to translate into that, so I would not be surprised if he is from the same league of lawyers as MACC's Abdul Razak.

    I now reply his attacks to my character with character counter-attacks. Since this cucu failed to discuss civically with reason and logic, I find it futile to discuss facts and evidences with people who can dismiss reality. AgreeToDisagree, I thank you for speaking up for us. It is sad to see the inexistent burden of proof from the oppressors, and it is never a good seat having to be on the defensive, but having you in this discussion has been a pleasure in terms of intellect, and knowing new english words.

  9. "No lah, it’s from the Camp Cucamonga."

    Glad to see you know you're scaring us. A pedo-incest relative who threatens/hates mak-nyah could be the next de facto poster child of insanity cases among Malaysian lawyers. You are a lawyer aren't you? Lawyer's are gaining a reputation for murder and fraud these days, this might have been a new low . . . I won't even ask about your religion given the sensitivity these days. You're not at the very least among those creeps among RELA who are extorting mak-nyahs for sex or cash or chasing them down like animals for sport hopefully?

    After this whole exchange, don't tell me you still think LBGT's don't have a right to move about in society or have a space to their lifestyle or indulge their proclivities (if any) without harrassment, or simply be themselves do you?

    (Again, it is mainly Muslim LBGTs suffering most by apostasy from a religion inculpated early in childhood to the effect Malays were not given freedom of choice, till they were adults to make a choice, and when later they did, faced discrimination and were reclassified into second class citizen etc.. – it's a different kid of discrimination and causes equal measure of suffering that minorities feel from APARTHEID . . . )

    ALSO Listen to Yuki :

    But don't bother about the harsh stuff. It's VERY difficult to even be a regular non-adult industry based mak-nyah and your dismissal of their rights is thus particularly insulting to Ms CEO here. To quote Yuki – "It is so easy to be in denial of real people and real lives." It's good to be sheltered and specialised insular and reaching for moral heights (read up on Skoptzy and try purifying to that level after you reproduce, there is no end to 'purification' and 'spirituality', these are a luxury not suited for the already mundane world of judiciary much less the banal world of sexual preferences).

    Don't use these precious tools to ride roughshod over anyone if you have any principles at all. Without principles and ethics, society cannot exist and bloody riots and chaos occurs even if what you are trying to achive is to prevent perdition. But to mistake diversity or differences is simply flawed IQ, EQ, EI or EQ-i. An acronym laced prescription to send you off. To the relevant readers, LAZINESS is not an option!

    And thanks for a very interesting exchange cucumanga. This one is as rare as they come.

  10. @Cucumanga,

    "Yuki whoever your are, I sincerely hope you can find peace, and rest in it."

    "It’s not just this 1 article, but it is the LBGT ideology that I can’t accept. Maybe I’m the last of my kind, here."

    It is so easy to be in denial of real people and real lives. Perhaps that is the measure of humanity for you. Unfortunately for you I have found peace and not resting in it yet, perhaps you could find a bucket and kick out your ignorace and insecurities towards people who are gender variant or of a different sexual orientation. There is no ideology. Only human beings who deserve to live life minus abuse from creeps like you.

  11. cucumanga

    Wow, all replies are like written judgment?

    Well, if I may reiterate, there are so many type of peoples in this world. I am not as radical as my replies, I'm just an anonymous provokater in Loyar Burok.

    Yuki whoever your are, I sincerely hope you can find peace, and rest in it.

    @ScaredShitCoward – I find it funny though that you thanked me for telling you to drop dead.

    It's called as an act of forgiveness. (actually I overlooked on the drop dead part ha!).

    Agree with you though, they not only have facts and figures, but they tend to write long elaboration too, which I opined, is too serious for me, here in LB. They also have the whole complete package of supporters : Human Rights Committee of the Malaysian Bar, SUARAM, PT Foundation, KRYSS, Women’s Candidacy Initiative, Empower, Purple Lab, Matahari Books, The Annexe Gallery, Sisters In Islam, Women's Aid Organisation, Amnesty International and PKR.

    All this movements, UUCA, gandrungs and everything, makes me wonder why I wander here in the first place.

    It's not just this 1 article, but it is the LBGT ideology that I can't accept. Maybe I'm the last of my kind, here.

    "Here’s 2 cents of psycho-analysis on cucumanga off the bat. The nick cucu-manga has incestuous and pedophilic undertones. cucu = grandchild, manga may allude hentai. Intentionally controversial or a cry for help as well? When someone beats on a weak and oppressed community like mak-nyahs, he may have frustrations from unexpressed desires."

    No lah, it's from the Camp Cucamonga.

    Your unblissful poster.

  12. ScaredShitCoward

    So i guess this is the end of this thread. Cucumanga, bro, i believe we should educate ourselves more this time, because right now, we only look like fools the more we continue spreading our opinions which is based mainly on hate and close-mindedness. They have facts and figures and all we have is our machismo and stubborness.

    I find it funny though that you thanked me for telling you to drop dead.

  13. hi Yuki Choe,

    "I already offered to meet up with him with other working class mak nyahs in my previous comment. I guess he would not dare to. It will kill all his belief system and destroy everything he has believed about mak nyahs. Ignorance is bliss. He is blissful now."

    The working class mak nak are more normal than some YBs and politicians today who harm the nation with corruption, nepotistic family fiefs in political parties, ill gotten extreme wealth from closed tenders, laws like forced military conscriptions, toll concessionaires, unconstitutional vehicular-APs, lack of IPCMC against the Royal Commission's wishes and more.

    Here's 2 cents of psycho-analysis on cucumanga off the bat. The nick cucu-manga has incestuous and pedophilic undertones. cucu = grandchild, manga may allude hentai. Intentionally controversial or a cry for help as well? When someone beats on a weak and oppressed community like mak-nyahs, he may have frustrations from unexpressed desires.

    These desires may themselves have been projected by the authors of explicit works expressing the same and may not arise from him. Not saying cucumanga is a timebomb but surely theres alot of unresolved issues that need resolution within him. Nor should such works should be banned, but they had better only be accessible to people (maybe via a registry of sorts?) who are aware that they only represent fantasy and not reality and if played out will harm their victims terribly.

    A reminder for any net monitors – do not go on a witchhunt and ruin that person's life for suspected criminal mindedness or insanity when it's just a lack of communication outlets to normalise urges for experiential feedback his psyche desires. It's a phase within a learning curve, everyone is insane by another's standards.

    cucumanga is human too, so react to him in a manner that humanises so that we set precedents for the way OUR society treats it's weakest (hes psychologically weak in all probability in this case and needs sympathy not 'standing up to') defines the quality of a nation.

    So many would have taken a psyche degree but the manner in which mental institutions are run in collusion with individuals with self serving agendas, the criteria for passing, and the profit oriented manner in which drugs are prescribed, also the cost of the course itself, prevents so many from following up, alongside so many disciplines damned by bad academics and Deans etc.. The education system is not working. Society thus churns out low quality individuals and creates neurotic environments, especially so for Muslims and Malays as the Syariah Courts are still not yet perefect.

    So he is not blissful! But you have offered him a way to bliss that he will not dare to take until he grows enough of a psychological spine to do so. cucumanga, tell me if this postulation is right or wrong so we may refine our methods of character analysis.

  14. @Cucumanga,

    I am in the habit of standing up to heterosexist bullies like you. It is not equivalent to tantrums, unless you do not understand what is the meaning of countervoicing bigotry.

    -"The guy in your news link you’ve provide is a psycho."-

    If he is a psycho, so are you. He has the same insecurities with gender variancy and expression just like you. The difference is you have not acted on it. Or have you? The hate, is the same.

    -"Yuki Choe, well I don’t know who you are, you can claim you’re CEO and I don’t care."-

    So convenient. You just brush me of just because you finally meet a mak nyah with credentials. And you kill the discussion with 'I don't care' in case you finally meet me. That is cool.

    It is equivalent to hiding in your tempuring, hands closing your ears, saying… 'no… no… mak nyahs belong in the street… they cannot have a life… nooo'. Ignorance. To bad so sad, dude.

    -"I’m not against people born with Syndrome, any syndrome, that’s something you can not choose."-

    That is great! Are you willing to stop your tirade against mak nyahs now? You are already forgiven, even before you take back your words. By the way, mak nyahs are women born different. That does not mean they are attracted into the same sex. Of course, with a little reading and discovering this world, perhaps you could educate yourself more into that. Or you choose ignorance?

    -"But you can choose to accept the fact of life, especially here in Malaysia where gay people will be discriminated."-

    Why should gay people be discriminated? Please answer this question. You are implying people who are born and comfortable with who they are should be stigmatized by society? Gosh, which decade you are living in. That is not fact. That is justification of prejudice. And it is your problem, not ours. Our problem is, we are Malaysians. And we have the right to equality as provided in the consitution Article 8. Please study.

    -"What were you thinking? love gay comments? And never I mentioned any “dick in hole” type of comments. What’s wrong with you?"-

    Do you know how to read? That was a figure of speech to describe your kind of heterosexist thinking. Now, what is wrong with you?

    -"Your sole purpose in life is to get recognition of being gay, LBGT whatever? Being tolerated never good enough for you, right?"-

    Are you silly? Why should discrimination be tolerated? And why should the word tolerance be used for any sexual orientation?

    -"Are there any “glorifying heterosexuals” issues? Any “For Malaysian Heterosexuals: Hope for a better tomorrow” article?"-

    You obviously have a problem reading into people's comment. Heterosexuals already have the license to glorify themselves! Where are you at? You do not need a hope for a better tomorrow article. You are at a stage where you can get a dose of FHM mags and articles about heterosexual sex, with sexy MTVs to boot.

    -"I don’t like overacting extremist LBGT. Hate me then. The more I read this kind of reply, the more it make me sick."-

    Overacting? Look back into what you written here. I am giving a reaction to your biased, prejudicial, discriminatory actions here by verbally gay bashing people who have do you no harm.

    Dehumanizing people's relationships to pot smoking and BDSM? Sweeping gays and mak nyahs together with illogical stereotypes?

    Invalidating innate people's attractions as a fault of their own?

    You have issues. Perhaps you should deal with them, not with us.

    @AgreeToDisagree,

    -"Socialising with LBGT (or having an open mind) is a skill you obviously don’t have."-

    I already offered to meet up with him with other working class mak nyahs in my previous comment. I guess he would not dare to. It will kill all his belief system and destroy everything he has believed about mak nyahs. Ignorance is bliss. He is blissful now.

  15. hi cucumanga,

    1) @ AgreeToDisagree – may I? Behaving unethically not only because of divine mandate is true blind obedience but merely ethical behavior. Another germ! Does sense of existential angst from ethics count as true though?

    Huh? Didn't get your meaning unless it was to defend Xians? That quaility really applies y'know, though was not meant as a label and maybe was viewed in a wrong context? Germ to you but gem to others.

    2) "And please stop bringing Jesus to this gay issue, (is it interrelated?"

    You must admit that Jesus and his suffering has always had some undeniably homoerotic/bdsm undertones. Guess thats partly why prohibitions on idolatry came about in monotheism's third and final incarnation – Islam.

    Xians please disregard if you find this comment offensive, or engage and debunk if you're up to it, just thinking aloud since we're on the subject . . .

    3) I don’t like overacting extremist LBGT. Hate me then. The more I read this kind of reply, the more it make me sick.

    Its a stereotype that even the overreacting extremeist LBGT themselves can't extricate themselves from for lack of examples of normalised identities that are viewed as non-hetero. That's society's fault actually – reservation of behaviour modes.

    Don't feel sick or you're just being a victim of a victim. And nobody is going to hate you. Be abit more grounded and sympathetic around LBGT, especially the semi naked touchy feely ones in the tutus and fluffy curly wigs flouncing around with extreme prejudice!

    4) Any “For Malaysian Heterosexuals: Hope for a better tomorrow” article?

    I don't see LBGT overwhelming mainstream hetero by virtue of having 1 article here on Loyar Burok. Mainstream hetero however is everywhere, can't you give them abit of space or time in the sun? The world is for everyone, and these are only forums.

    Socialising with LBGT (or having an open mind) is a skill you obviously don't have.

  16. cucumanga

    The guy in your news link you've provide is a psycho.

    Yuki Choe, well I don't know who you are, you can claim you're CEO and I don't care.

    I'm not against people born with Syndrome, any syndrome, that's something you can not choose.

    But you can choose to accept the fact of life, especially here in Malaysia where gay people will be discriminated.

    What were you thinking? love gay comments? And never I mentioned any "dick in hole" type of comments. What's wrong with you?

    Your sole purpose in life is to get recognition of being gay, LBGT whatever? Being tolerated never good enough for you, right?

    Are there any "glorifying heterosexuals" issues? Any "For Malaysian Heterosexuals: Hope for a better tomorrow" article?

    I don't like overacting extremist LBGT. Hate me then. The more I read this kind of reply, the more it make me sick.

  17. cucumanga

    Tantrum …

  18. -"@Hishammudin Hussien, don’t lah rape me, go ask for consensual sex from above legal age non muslim (muslim = “close proximity”) like Yuki Choe or Christian Foo.(maybe Foo will write about it in her blog, then people will start comment in her blog) ” A person is judged by the quality of his enemies”- strong word bro!"-

    I am sorry for both of you. I like women. Hisham would not even qualify. By your attitude you will definitely be in the OUT list!

  19. -"I wonder if you are the adopted daughter of a gay couple."-

    Wonder no more! I am born out of straight parents who unfortunately have a child born with Harry Benjamin Syndrome. Of course, if you would just stop this bigoted tirade and read more you would not attempt to catch a person with such questions.

    -"As for me, “traditional” values are related with sexuality predilection. Maybe “traditional” (and “predilection” too) is not the right word, but the point is value, value in sense of your thinking and action."-

    Yet, you fail to answer my first question, what has values got to do with sexuality? Correct me if I am wrong, you seem to be a straight person. So what has "values" got to do with your heterosexuality or your attraction to a person of another sex?

    -"See, I have no problem with gays, lesbian etc, if I don’t know about it. I’ll treat everyone equally, but sometime I do wonder if most of these metrosexual males are actually gays."-

    Assumptions, assumptions. People assume too much. Should I assume your sexuality one day when I meet you? Does it matter?

    -"If heterosexual glorifying themselves in being pimp, or men publicly present himself treating women as sex object, vice versa, or a women portray herself publicly as world class gold digger, plus any BDSMer, foot fetishes, flashers, asking the public to accept them, and writing an article about it, they’ll get the same treatment I give to stupid gays."-

    Brilliant! Write to MTV Asia. Ask JAKIM to arrest some woman. Go to those twitter accounts belonging to people like Paris Hilton and state your case. So far, have you done what you can to stop the spread of the cursed and licensed heterosexual lifestyle?

    -"Yes, I’ve to admit, unlike you, I seldom watch MTV, and I don’t give a damn what our local female artistes do, and I don’t have the slightest idea why both are related to this subject. I don’t need to study to know sexuality exists in this small world duh!"-

    Of couse both are related. You just mentioned a paragraph ago that you will give glorifying heterosexuals the same treatement with glorifying gays. You know the relations. Now you are saying you do not? It seems to be it would be better for you to just shout out on top of the mountain and profess your love to heterosexuality and state your blind ignorance to homosexuality.

    Or even your ignorance towards asexuality and bisexuallity for that matter. So you confess you know "sexuality", so back to my first statement which you again fail to reply to:

    'Very cute Cucumanga. Except you did not notice that pot smoking is a guilty pleasure and sexuality is an inborn attraction. You also ignored the fact that pot smoking is not exclusive to homosexuals, but same sex love and affection is exclusive to homosexuals. It is appalling that you made this comparison. Do you know what are sexuality rights? By your own immature logic, you had downgraded your own relationship to mere pot smoking too.

    Nice. LOL.'

    -"If you noticed nowadays, the conservative and traditional are the NEW LEFT. People like you are growing everyday and force us to accept these wasteful changes. You are the new cool, MTV generation, will shape the future here in Malaysia. YOU are the “right” movement; align with “right” movement worldwide."-

    Just answer me now what is wasteful about recognizing another individual their life and love? Has much fund me wasted on teaching people in school that only a dick into a hole counts?

    -"I mixed with all type of peoples, and I do know there’s a lot of mak nyahs in chow kit area, from monorel station to Sime Darby building at Jalan Raja Laut, to the back alleys of Jalan Haji Taibs, benteng, wisma Yakin area."-

    Really? Well unfortunately for you, you still did not manage to convince anyone. You are looking at one scope, once place, to judge an entire minority population? Dude, where have you been?!

    I would be most happy to invite you to dinner sometime with my mak nyah sisters, those who are not loitering at chow kit, those who have professional jobs, one do not even like sex and the other a firm Christian. One even like Manchester United. Funny, non of them seems to fit the stupid comment you make next here:

    -"I see them as a problematic human being; I hate them, as their extra activities will risk AIDS to public, and I observe them quietly, watching them living this wonderful life, betting that they can be better without being gay or mak nyah. It’s their choice, their “right” and maybe I must accept this, with bitter heart."-

    I am a licensing executive in a multi-national corporation. I am also an actress and a copywriter. I may be divorced, however, I have great friends beside me plus my loving parents. So can you tell me how my wonderful life will risk AIDS to public? And why should be be "better" by seeking approval from ignorant bigots like you and deny who we really are? And mind you, have you checked the HIV/AIDS statistics these days? Do you know, that after drug addicts, the past two yesars the second most infected group are heterosexual women? You have more to fear than condoms.

    -"And yes, they’ll throw tantrums if you tease them or leave without paying for their services. And hell, of course “fixed gender people” behaving very badly from schools to pubs, as they are the majority. You’ll be lucky to see gay peoples behaving badly at school or pubs or in the court room, except in this one club nearby Bar Council, LOL!"-

    Thanks LOL dude! You just proven my point that there is good and bad in everyone, that it is not the sexuality that is the issue, it is the individual. Perhaps if you stop having lustful fetishes at only a club nearby Bar Council and chow kit, you would probably see more human beings. After all, you know where to get your heterosexual "fixes" at most massage parlours and spas with Chinese nationals. So why pick on one gay pub? LOL. You are really entertaining me with your supreme ignorance dude!

    -"Unlike you, who just like to depend on google, like most of the young lawyers I know. Mixing for you is in Facebook, the world for you is just a click away, right?."-

    Are you talking about yourself? Because most of the people in my FB already know me prior to FB. And unfortunately for you, I do not depend wholely on google. And again, what is your point? You are trying to meddle things up attempting to prove your "right". But your point is not without any substance, full of hearsay, and is in the end, your opinion. Seriously, dude, you know nothing about gays/lesbians or mak nyahs. Anything factual in what you say? Your experience tells me you have a lot of reading and understanding to do. Perhaps you can start with your ownself.

    -"“At the least, everybody sane in the world knows love is better than hate!” That’s the Christian preaching right? Agape, love the sinner etc. Love, love, love. Love everything and everyone, wonder why the world is lack of love? Because people like to say it, write it, without actually doing it, and doing it the wrong way, the gay way."-

    How twisted is what you are saying now?! And who are you to say that the "gay" way is wrong? Can you be sure that the "straight" way is right? How many heterosexuals fail to produce children? How many heterosexual marriages ended up in domestic violence? How many heterosexual marriages even end up in divorce? I have seen gay couples that lasted more than 30 years, who have loved each other through heaven and hell, and you are saying that is not love? That is not just disrespectful. That is downright insulting people. And that is exactly the hateful quality I am happy I am not part of. Yes, I preach and practise love. Which is why I have to come in defense of your relentless hateful attacks on people who have done no harm to you, except to your personal validation on what sex should make the penis hard. Your obsession against people's relationships, lives and loves which has nothing to do with you. And people born unforfunately with a different gender than their sex, and have to live the rest of their lives with this medication condition. And you hate them.

    I wonder if you have been reading news like this one:

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/lo

    'I was trying to make him act like a boy instead of a little girl. I never struck that kid that hard before. A one-time mistake, and I am going to do 20 years.'

    The motivation behind it sounds eerily just like hatred you show.

    Yes you have so much excuse to hate. I am glad I do not share it.

  20. cucumanga

    Dear my learned friend Yuki Choe,

    I wonder if you are the adopted daughter of a gay couple.

    As for me, “traditional” values are related with sexuality predilection. Maybe “traditional” (and “predilection” too) is not the right word, but the point is value, value in sense of your thinking and action.

    See, I have no problem with gays, lesbian etc, if I don’t know about it. I’ll treat everyone equally, but sometime I do wonder if most of these metrosexual males are actually gays.

    If heterosexual glorifying themselves in being pimp, or men publicly present himself treating women as sex object, vice versa, or a women portray herself publicly as world class gold digger, plus any BDSMer, foot fetishes, flashers, asking the public to accept them, and writing an article about it, they’ll get the same treatment I give to stupid gays.

    Yes, I’ve to admit, unlike you, I seldom watch MTV, and I don’t give a damn what our local female artistes do, and I don’t have the slightest idea why both are related to this subject. I don’t need to study to know sexuality exists in this small world duh!

    If you noticed nowadays, the conservative and traditional are the NEW LEFT. People like you are growing everyday and force us to accept these wasteful changes. You are the new cool, MTV generation, will shape the future here in Malaysia. YOU are the “right” movement; align with “right” movement worldwide.

    I mixed with all type of peoples, and I do know there’s a lot of mak nyahs in chow kit area, from monorel station to Sime Darby building at Jalan Raja Laut, to the back alleys of Jalan Haji Taibs, benteng, wisma Yakin area.

    I see them as a problematic human being; I hate them, as their extra activities will risk AIDS to public, and I observe them quietly, watching them living this wonderful life, betting that they can be better without being gay or mak nyah. It’s their choice, their “right” and maybe I must accept this, with bitter heart.

    And yes, they’ll throw tantrums if you tease them or leave without paying for their services. And hell, of course “fixed gender people” behaving very badly from schools to pubs, as they are the majority. You’ll be lucky to see gay peoples behaving badly at school or pubs or in the court room, except in this one club nearby Bar Council, LOL!

    Unlike you, who just like to depend on google, like most of the young lawyers I know. Mixing for you is in Facebook, the world for you is just a click away, right?.

    “At the least, everybody sane in the world knows love is better than hate!” That’s the Christian preaching right? Agape, love the sinner etc. Love, love, love. Love everything and everyone, wonder why the world is lack of love? Because people like to say it, write it, without actually doing it, and doing it the wrong way, the gay way.

    @ScaredShitCoward, thank dude.

    @Hishammudin Hussien, don’t lah rape me, go ask for consensual sex from above legal age non muslim (muslim = "close proximity") like Yuki Choe or Christian Foo.(maybe Foo will write about it in her blog, then people will start comment in her blog) ” A person is judged by the quality of his enemies”- strong word bro!

    @Agree with UglyTruth even I don’t know he/she supporting gay or not. Quality individual makes quality society; gay individual will make gay society. Go on and look at mirror and tell me if there’s society there. Society of mirror looker? Shit man, that’s deep.

    @ AgreeToDisagree – may I? Behaving unethically not only because of divine mandate is true blind obedience but merely ethical behavior. Another germ! Does sense of existential angst from ethics count as true though?

    And please stop bringing Jesus to this gay issue, (is it interrelated?)

    Okay, will stop here. Wonder why I waste my time writing long comments. Hate it or love it, that you need to ask The Game.

  21. Point taken Hussein, Jesus was not Caucasian, nor Anglo-Saxon-Nordic (Blonde Hair/Blue Eyes)nor Milesian/Celtic (Red Hair/Green Eyes). He was Aramaic (Syriac or Assyrian with dark hair and dar eyes) but thats not exactly Hebraic either.

  22. Hishammudin Hussien

    Jesus was not white, he was hebrew

    UglyTruth: WAH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MANIFESTO

    SHIT manifesto is for real dawgs, everyone open your eyez to SHIT

  23. @ash – thats a very salient description about Xians and people who use the term 'get used to it' you have there. Damn sharp. Where do you comment or where do you blog? Wanna read more!

    @Scaredshitcoward – behaving ethically only because of divine mandate is not true ethical behavior but merely blind obedience. Another gem! Does ethics from a sense of existential angst count as true though?

    Yvonne. Are you white? If not, think about your ORIGINAL race's faith and culture and how much more they need you than whitey and can look down on you even more than you can look down on the LGBT community.

    You're a banana skin and narrow minded to boot. Get used to it! Hah!

  24. UglyTruth

    After about an hour of hearing my friend reading aloud this post and its comments, i only have one thing to say. SHIT!

    Stereotype, Hypocrites, Individualistic & Treacherous!

    To me, i'd say that the core of any society is the individual. Screw society if there is no individual. Yep. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but with that also comes the never ending bickering.

    Why is this? i believe you should look back at the origins.

    Talking about sexuality in LGBT, its all individual. Sexual preference is an individual choice. So lets just keep it at that. Society is formed from individual. MIXED !! not all are of the same sex preference. So what is the bloody commotion about? Owh yes, being accepted in society…

    SCREW SOCIETY. it wont exist without us individuals. Society is formed from individuals, united with indifference(s). key word folks…. INDIVIDUALS & UNITED & for the lack of better word, INDIFFERENCE. Its difficult to mix and understand, because individuals brings variety and mixed of opinions…. and standing united can only be achieve through indifference. Why i say indifference? it is a fact, that sometimes (or make that most of the time) it is difficult to accept but easier to ignore a certain matter. IF everyone can actually make up their mind for once of what is the actual important matter here, we wouldn't be having this problem in the first place.

    ok,..,. ok.. what i am trying to say is this. FORGET SOCIETY! focus on yourself. TRUTH is, SOCIETY DOES NOT EMPOWER INDIVIDUALS, but its actually the INDIVIDUALS THAT EMPOWERS THE SOCIETY. Make yourself a better person whether you're gay or straight. One person at a time and if everyone is a better person, wouldn't that lead to a better society?

    its rather difficult to understand because the social standards are being defined by the very society as it is that society determines what is good and what is bad. Breaking free from this is the only way and start focusing back into the individual self.

    dont talk about moral, religion and etc. Even those are up to the individual. However you chose to live you life, just be sure you are prepared to live with the consequences. Its all you dudes!

    so stop talking about other people and what they are doing with their lives. Go look in the mirror and ask yourselves what have you done with YOUR lives.

    Jeez

    i hate writing these comments as i, myself have to actually start talking about other people's business. I'm gonna be hated for writing this, but what the heck, popularity in a degraded society is overrated anyway. SCREW EM.

    I'm gonna go look at myself in the mirror now…. (look at what you society has done! *SHIT*!)

  25. Hishammudin Hussien

    Before I get sidetracked I want to point out that no one posts on courageous heart's blog and she seems to be keeping it just so she can post it on show what a socially aware individual she is

    YOU GOT NO STREET CRED CHRISTIAN FOO

    Faker.

    honey with a capital P

  26. Hishammudin Hussien

    teh glbt folks are trying to hard to be PC the way straight people are PC. It's like black people who try to be the establishment the way white people are the establishment… Niggaz should just smoke blunts and listen to hip hop since thats what make whiteyz scared shitless of them. Yall gayz should embrace all who hate you cuz it gives you power. A person is judged by the quality of his enemies. as a famous malaysian politician I should know that.

  27. Hishammudin Hussien

    Cucumanga I want to rape you

  28. ScaredShitCoward

    Hi Cucumanga… i love you bro… you inspire people to fight for what is right so that everything that will be left in this world is love and the right rights. The whole world should think the same way you do in order that the world will be at peace. Telling people that their business is just their business and should keep it that way is not actually meddling with other people's own business. Just kind concern.

    Kudos to you and your kind! You're such an inspiration of hope for a better tomorrow.

    Drop dead.

  29. My oh my, Cucumanga, it seems that you are that serious. You come with all these sweeping statements, like what, traditional value? What has traditional values got to do with your sexuality?

    While they are "glorify"-ing themselves for being gay, how about heterosexual glorifying themselves in the gangsta pimp and sexy ho culture, men objectifying women as sex objects, women gold-digging men's wallets for sex, which you see even here wor? LOL!

    Probably you are too ignorant to watch MTV these days, as even our local female artistes are inviting western men for a party, and says "and if I ask nice can I take you home with me" (google this for more info, kay?) Sexuality exists in the world and does not exclude anyone, geddit? If you do not, please go study okay.

    In the meantime, we are not the "right", we are the "left", of course you would know that if you come out of that shell of yours. Being gay is cool? Did you even read this article? Oh gosh, I forgot you do not like to read, coz if you do, you would know that heterosexuals love BDSM the most! You must have not been updating yourself, especially Japanese AV porn since 1970s!

    You also must have not been mixing with people much since you do not notice "mak nyah"'s who is not in Chow Kit and who do not throw tantrums, and you totally missed out on fixed gender people behaving very badly from schools to pubs. Gosh. Yeah, you have the right to hate. But if hate results in the sort of knowledge and wisdom you are showing now, I prefer love. At the least, everybody sane in the world know love is better than hate!

    Chill LOL!

  30. cucumanga

    Maybe I'm too stoned when I write my earlier comment

    Hah! I dunno why gay people sooooo serious. Now I know why some mak nyah chow kit throw tantrum sometime.

    Gimme a break will ya, is this for real? Not being homophobic, but I still believe, and hold on traditional value (?wtf?) on what you do or what you want to be is your own business (keep it that way), and you don't need to "glorify" yourself for being gay. So gay is the cool thing today, LBGT movement around the world, rainbow color everything.

    This is Malaysia, not US or European countries, this "right" movement thingy, sucks! I have the right to hate too, and you have the right to be hated, by the people who have the right to hate you.

    For Malaysian BDSMers, Hope For A Better Tomorrow! (read:HOPE)

  31. Michelle Nor Ismat

    hi there yvonne,

    if i had not known pang personally, i'd probably agree with you. but seeing the efforts being put out by him and the others, i beg to differ. a whiner would be someone who is all talk, but no action to make things better for himself, or those around him. pang is the opposite of that. him writing this is just one of the various efforts he had put in.

    i do agree that respect is earned, not demanded. but, i disagree that the same is applicable to "rights". respecting a person, and respecting a person's right is not the same, IMHO. let me give an example: everyone has the rights of equal opportunity, and if a particular person fits all the criteria for a certain position, he has the rights to be considered as a candidate. and if he is the best among the other applicants, he should be hired, regardless of his/her sexual orientation/gender identity, etc. however, whether or not he/she is being respected as a person, is another story altogether.

    but hey, that's my personal opinion. just a small voice among the many louder voices around

  32. ScaredShitCoward

    Hi Yvonne,

    Cool stuff i got from the net… I believe you would want to have have a say on these too… you being Christian and all…

    Everyone needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.

    He who laughs last didn't get it.

    Behaving ethically only because of divine mandate is not true ethical behavior but merely blind obedience.

    Bite me!

  33. Hishammudin Hussien

    Yvonne, your blog name sucks, and Pang has achieved more than you have. Go achieve something and earn my respect before you have the audacity to come here with your boring middle class prejudices and passive-aggressive ambivalence.

    Self-satisfied Unt with a capital C.

  34. Dear Ash,

    This is my blog: http://imcourageousheart.blogspot.com/

    I've a soft voice but I don't whine. Yes, I preach occasionally. I believe in sin but I don't have guilt complex (whatever that is). I agree Pang has the right to write. So do I.

  35. ash

    Oh Yvonne, get off your high horse. You have no idea what it feels like to be Pang, nor to be part of a community that is constantly suppressed or oppressed.

    Just because you have a guilt complex where you feel you need to GET USED TO IT – evident in your syntax (choice of words), does not mean Pang has to do the same.

    He has the bloody right to write about his struggles and the struggles of people who have similar ones, and from the way you're going on, you should try writing too. AND thinking about it.

    Because, frankly you sound WHINY, and preachy.

  36. Pang, you wrote as if it’s the end of the world just because others can’t accept you as a homosexual. Well, the good news is, you can do whatever you want if you’ve proven your worth. So quit whining. Go achieve something. Having read your article, I can safely say that somebody, if not your parents, has provided the means in order that you’ve good education. Hope you appreciate that person’s love for you. Homosexual relationship is the same as heterosexual relationship in the sense that we don’t live happily ever after just because we’ve found the love of our life. Hope you consider this before you decided to sever all other relationships. There are “he/she, we and they” besides “I, me and myself”.

    As a Christian, I’ve my right to practice my religion. Too bad you can’t accept the biblical teachings. Get use to it. By right, nobody can force you to follow Christ. This is the beauty of human rights principles of which I’m learning to make full use of. I’ve no problems accepting homosexuals as my friends or relatives. However, I’ve found it difficult to befriend anyone who dwells in self-pity and demands (or plead) that others respect his/her rights. Respect is earned, not demanded.

  37. Animos

    This happen when all muslims in loyarburuk is BACUL enough~~

  38. James

    Powerful. Thanks, Pang.

  39. real dude

    Gay sucks!!! Literally…LOL

  40. Aston Paiva

    Great stuff Pang. A very compelling read.

  41. Mei

    Wow cucumanga. Just wow… is that all you can offer to this article? Thanks for the laugh though, and a sneak peak into your junk. No, not the one in your pants, but I guess if you do use that to process all your thoughts, then…….

    So why are people getting their panties in a twist over anyone's sexuality? Why do they make it a point to dictate who should choose who? Why should it even concern them personally?

    A certain "bright" individual replaced homosexuality with potheads in his/her mock article. Hm.. I dunno, but a perceptive person will notice that being a homosexual doesn't automatically make them a hedonist in any substance, simply just a different preference when choosing a mate. Duh.

    I've met some homosexuals who look and act perfectly ordinary. They feel like us, intellectual, have moral virtues etc. Sure, you'll meet some unpleasant, outrageous ones, but you also get your fair share of jerkasses amongst the heterosexuals.

    So people argue it's disgusting, unnatural, end of the world, bla bla.

    Newsflash:

    1.) It's as "disgusting" as french-kissing. Not everyone enjoys, the exchanging of slimy bodily fluids, flowing with little germs to different tongues. There are people who hate it, and there are people who love it. Point is, it's a personal preference again that is between two partners only, no one else.

    2.) People love to bring up the "fact" that even animals don't do it. Wrong again. Penguins, elephants, dolphins, etc, check it up. They do homosexual bondings. And if you still insist it's not nature's intent, well, why don't we go aaaaaaall the way with your belief and totally disregard any medication and surgeries when we're ill, eh? After all, according to you line of thought, we should heal naturally rather than stuff ourselves with medicine and antibiotics (they're man-made, not natural, oh no!), as per nature's "intent". I can go on with other examples, so don't get me started on what's "natural" and what isn't.

    3.) End of the world! No one will ever breed ever again! Uh-huh.. Sigh… how much more populated do you want the world to be? We're already at the 7 billion mark, OVERPOPULATED! Sadly, the emergence of homosexuality will NOT decrease the birth growth because there WILL always be heterosexuals to churn out the crotch-spawns, and at 7 billion, it's gonna be a long, long arduous road before the world dangerously hits the underpopulation status (don't forget the already-mentioned breeding heterosexuals) so quit whining.

    By the way, the numbnut complaining about homosexuals who make a show about their sexuality? You get your fair share of men wearing those "witty" shirts with provocative slogans that scream their lust for women too. I once was in a nightclub when a man was showing his love for women in his own lewd way.

    So I don't understand why homosexuals have to go through ridicule and ostracism when the only minor difference is gender preference. Leave the gender preference of others alone, because it's not anyone's damn business. Free love, so long as it does not impinge on basic human rights such as the use of coercion and rape.

  42. Kowalski

    penis talk???

    oh shit…

  43. Very cute Cucumanga. Except you did not notice that pot smoking is a guilty pleasure and sexuality is an inborn attraction. You also ignored the fact that pot smoking is not exclusive to homosexuals, but same sex love and affection is exclusive to homosexuals. It is appalling that you made this comparison. Do you know what are sexuality rights? By your own immature logic, you had downgraded your own relationship to mere pot smoking too.

    Nice. LOL.

  44. Cucumanga

    I was born lesbian but I choose to be a male.

    Dude, it's the attitude of gays, and the tight shirt, the hairstyle and that song what what from samwell that piss me off. If you want to put your bird into some guy s, why you want the whole world to know about it, with a parade to promote it.

    What next? BDSM rights?

    How bout change the title to For Malaysian Pot Smokers, Hope for a better tomorrow.

    Real Peace of mind

    A few years ago, a minister, commenting on pot smoker rights, said that individuals should respect society’s rights to peace of mind. How is that equitable? How can you pitch society against one person? For society’s peace of mind, some innocent people should go to jail, be insulted daily, be beaten up or live their lives forever in fear of all the above?

    Here are some suggestions for better things to lose one’s peace of mind to: corruption, racism, chauvinism, increased crime rate, the bursting economic bubble.

    To those who believe that pot smoking will cause the collapse of society, let me assure you that it is all these other things we are neglecting while we busy ourselves with other people’s private lives that will bring about our ruin.

    Honestly, pot smokers are not your problem. For once, I wish sober people will just take ownership of the way they had screwed up society with their machismo and insecurities and stop blaming pot smokers for it. Then together we can work to repair the problems.

    The AFP report also claimed there is such a thing as a ‘pot smoker movement’ in Malaysia. As far as I know, there isn’t one. Malaysian pot smokers are too busy getting by with what little rights they have. For the last three years, what we have had is just a coalition of Marijuana rights activists, comprising of organisations like Suaram, the PT Foundation, Malaysian Bar Council, Kryss, Empower, as well as many concerned individuals, straight and LGBT.

    As many of us don’t even know our own rights, our concern for now is simply to remind ourselves that we have these rights as Malaysians.

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    (To fill our lungs with sweet smoke from leaves from heaven)

    We just want to empower the community, appeal for understanding, help families come together, create safe spaces, nurse our wounds, sing some songs, hope for a better tomorrow.

    We also organise an annual pot smoker rights festival called Ting Tong Merdeka where we uphold our marijuana smoking rights as part of human rights.

    For Malaysians who think that human rights are not Malaysian values, let me break it down for you: the practise of human rights means you cannot practise it while taking away somebody else’s rights, and vice versa. It is a fair deal, no? Unless we are saying being unfair and taking away rights are Malaysian values. No? I hope so.

    Ahmad Yasmin once recalled Negaro saying that a strong civilisation is judged by the compassion it shows to its weakest.

    I believe Malaysia can still be that kind of a country, if we all want it to be.

  45. Animos

    Sounds like something that coming from Anwar Ibrahim's mouth…

    Hahaha

  46. Youth is a luxury best enjoyed in a free environment that must be allowed, gathering strength for one final trip. After that, one can only grow by fighting the good fight.

    The task becomes the person, so take care. One day there will be no tasks left, and emptiness remains because an electronic glass ceiling is in your way beyond the even mere human experience.

    The enemies of liberty and free will prevent your ascension via experiential based growth. Don't become one of them and try look for that beyond this world. There is a ceiling and it can be turned upon those who would dare contain us.

    Land belongs to all. Wealth belongs to all. DREAM belongs to all, and all above and below where we stand. First learn to see the ceiling, and not lose oneself, even as one seeks for everyone else the freedom from oppression to lose themselves.

    Time to rewrite reality and free dreamland and all other places between the void, friends. Reclaim reality not bear the face or wall of the oppressors. Beyond, beyond, beyond . . .

    LGBT is but the first tiniest step forward, access to the 'gifts' of Mother nature to ALL her children yet another, Freedom of the MIND in it's *entirety*, now that's really 'GAY' and still not yet given, fight for that for we are in a prison most of us cannot see . . .

  47. kee

    i am actually very confused because i know some people they are not born as a gay but they chose to be . A friend of mine is not born as a gay but he chose to be one due to circumstances, i believe. But i do believe some people have mixed sexuality…

  48. LN

    Every human being has a right to basic human rights of respect, dignity, etc. I think the emergence of LGBT's (as a result of bolder self-expression and perhaps fed-upness of hiding in the closet for the benefit of society at large) immediately draws a negative reaction because if you think about it, most of us have only been aware of homosexuality quite recently. It IS unnatural if you see it from the perspective of heterosexuals who've always believed and seen and experienced that heterosexuality is the way of life. I'm sorry that you guys have experienced so much pain for something beyond your control. I personally wouldn't be ecstatic if my son told me one day he was gay. Not because it suggests all those misperceptions you've cited in your article, but simply because I would be afraid that he would still be in the minority and treated unjustly. However, God gave him to us. He decides what gender my son is. It is not my call. This just means, that no matter what happens, my son is still a gift and I still need to love him. And I will.

  49. hak

    Loyar Burok is NOT Msian Bar dodo!

    I found book a 300+ paged book by reknown scholar

    Scott Siraj al Haqq Kugle, "Homosexuality in Islam: Critical Reflections on Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Muslims". 2010. One World Publications. Oxford.

    I bought book over Amazon.com.

  50. cranberry

    muslim bar council agree to this?