[Updated on 14 October 2010: Through Dato’ Khalid Bin Abu Bakar’s statement on 13 October 2010, the police has responded on Facebook here. Thank you commentator PDRM for bringing it to our attention. We reproduce it in full:
Salam rakan-rakan semua, apa yg kita lihat di dalam video itu, terdapat kekurangan/kesilapan di kedua-dua pihak. Di pihak Polis, anggota tersebut bersikap kurang mesra, dan terdapat kata-kata yang tidak perlu diucapkan langsung. Apa yang perlu diucapkan ketika menahan seseorang yang melakukan kesalahan trafik, adalah mengucapkan salam/selamat pagi/petang, maklumkan apa kesalahan pemandu dan jika dia menerima alasan yg diberikan oleh pemandu, dia boleh menggunakan budi bicaranya untuk melepaskan pemandu dengan amaran atau ingatan dan jika dia tidak menerima alasan pemandu, dia terus mengeluarkan saman dan beredar.
Jika pemandu enggan menerima saman, buat catatan dan terus beredar. Kata-kata atau ucapan lain yang tidak berkenaan tidak perlu.
Di pihak pemandu, di dalam insiden ini pula seolah-olah mencabar dan membuat provokasi kepada anggota polis yang menjalankan tugasnya. Ini juga tidak perlu dilakukan. Tidak salah untuk merakam kejadian yang berlaku tetapi tidak perlu mengeluarkan kata-kata yg mencabar anggota Polis itu. Jika ada perbuatan anggota Polis itu yang tidak menyenangkan pemandu, dia boleh melaporkannya kepada Pegawai Kanan Polis di mana-mana Balai. Pemandu juga boleh hadir ke mahkamah untuk mendengar kes di hadapan Majistret, jika tidak puas hati dengan saman yang dikeluarkan. Saya telah menghubungi Rakan kita yang postkan video ini tetapi malangnya dia tidak dapat memberi saya butir-butir lanjut kejadian ini. Kita akan cuba kesan Anggota polis berkenaan dan dapatkan butiran kejadian. Terima kaseh saya ucapkan di atas pendedahan ini.]
Pamela Lim’s previous video post has attracted a record number of hits on LoyarBurok. She elaborates on her video with an account of what happened before she started filming and why she acted as she did. This was originally written (on 10 October 2010 at 8.47 pm) as a comment response to hundreds of other comments on the original post and is now reproduced for easy reference.
The video can be viewed here.
I was flagged down after turning right at the junction of Federal Highway adjoining Jalan Gasing/Jalan University. When I stopped the car to ask what I was stopped for, the policeman said I committed an offence, for using the mobile phone without hands-free. I maintained that my phone was on the hands-free speaker and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke but they kept saying that I did not use the hands-free. They asked for my IC and driver’s license in which I complied and gave it to them. As they were holding the summons book, they didn’t read out which Act that I had violated when I asked them what the difference was, between using a hands-free kit and the hands-free speaker.
Then they asked me how I would like to settle the matter. Then I asked them, how do you normally settle matters like this. Then they said, if I want to settle it normally, it would be a hassle for me. Then they waited for my response. I told them, I didn’t think that I have committed an offence per se, but if they say that I have, then I am willing to accept the summons as I’m obviously in the wrong by using the phone according to them. I have always used the handsfree kit but that day, I hadn’t plugged it in and my mistake was answering the phone by putting it on hands-free speaker and was flagged down before I could put the phone on my holster. Look at the video again, my phone holster is stuck on the right of my windscreen.
As they insisted that I was wrong, I insisted that they gave me the summons for it. They began to taunt me with words in Malay and if I hadn’t read the RED BOOK by the Bar Council to know what to do when confronted by the police, I would not know what to do or what to expect next.
I asked them for their names and their ID numbers in which they got defensive. Then I thought if they were going to hassle me further, I might as well record their actions on photographs. I photographed them with my phone so that I have evidence of my encounter with them should I want to challenge the summons in court. They began to yell at me for taking pictures, accusing me of “intimidating” them and that I have no rights to take pictures of their uniform as it was government property. When they began to intimidate me with their words, that was when I switched to video mode.
What followed was all recorded for you to see.
I had no idea what they were getting at except that they were trying to intimidate me to submit to their demands. When they handed me the summons to sign, I wrote on it that “I do not accept as I had handsfree,” the police went livid. There is no law that states that you can’t write anything in protest of a summons for an offence that you do not admit to. Signing the summons denotes acceptance of the summons, not the offence. All the time, I had the video on, filming with my left hand. He shouted at me. Questioning what rights do I have, implying that I should have none when dealing with the police.
He kept questioning me WHO I AM. Does it matter who I am? I am an ordinary citizen who has rights. Does it mean that if I were a “somebody” this treatment would have been different? Does it mean that if I was a somebody, I would be let off? Why was the policeman so adamant in asking me who I was? What difference would it make if they had decided already that I had committed an offence? Or would my offence be a non-offence if they had known how my family had been a close source to the family of the late Tun Razak and the father of our independence, Tunku Abdul Rahman?
When they refused to return my IC and license, beckoning and summoning me to follow them back to the station, I refused and stated my rights and that I will report them for they had “stolen” my IC. That’s when they realised I knew the law. If I had committed an offence and obstructed justice, why didn’t they arrest me? They also refused to issue me the summons until they decided that they flouted the law themselves and returned my IC, license together with the summons issued. THEY REFUSED TO HAND ME THE SUMMONS FOR ME TO GO. This probably did not even occur to you because you didn’t watch the video properly.
These policemen abused their power to talk down to a lady, threatened me by withholding my IC and license and yet demanded the respect at the same time: how is that possible? No one is allowed to hold on to your IC, not even security guards at the condo entry points.
All of you who condemned me obviously had never been in a situation like mine, where you were made to feel small and insignificant for refusing to cower under pressure for an offence that I did not consciously commit. Being a female, I would have been subjected to a lot worse if I was intimidated by them to follow them to goodness-knows-where. I was well aware of the fact that they didn’t have their ID numbers on them and had every reason to be suspicious. In a country where I’m viewed in the same light as a “pendatang” (illegal immigrant) and accused of having an ancestry of prostitutes, I ought to be wary of every encounter with anyone who come across to me in such a manner.
It’s interesting to see how many of you distort the topic of intimidation and threats when the police outnumbered me.
For those who think I shouldn’t be a citizen of Malaysia, you ought to know that I am the descendent of Malaya’s first court interpreter, Peter Lim and can trace back four generations in Malaysia. I am a law abiding citizen and a God-fearing person. I have also compounded my summons and paid the fine. I have decided to make this video public not to seek publicity but to educate the public especially women, on their rights when confronted by the police and when to exercise them. What happened to me, can happen to anybody. I have utmost respect for the police force when they arrest criminals, recover kidnapped children, clamp down on high crimes and solve murder mysteries. I never hesitate to cooperate with them whenever necessary but I will not be intimidated when I refuse to give bribes.
Thank you for your time in giving your comments and being so quick to condemn. You ought to read the RED BOOK. I acted within my rights. I was in my confined space. I had every right to defend myself from unruly behaviour. They could have been more courteous. As a tax payer, we are paying their salaries.
Asking for freedom from apartheid and self determinism in a free world is not wrong is it? Be fair man.
AR….this AgreeToDisagree fucker will keep on writing and rebutting until you agree everything he says. No point to argue…just spank him hard until he can no longer speak out his name except yours. His "thinking outside the box" is more like thinking inside the jamban…full of shit!!!! No point wasting your energy…spank him until he cannot shit for life!!!!
There was a glimmer of hope, alas just another LOYARBURUK. Just imposed facts, without re-BUTTS.
Everyone dies by his/her own self after all right? Some do some don't. Others remain monolingual, some become polyglot while a few take Oaths of Silence.
Why do some people keep speaking in absolute terms? Please think out of the box you want to place everyone else in.
Tata now and have a nice life! :P
There was a glimmer of hope, alas just another LOYARBURUK. Just re-BUTTS, without facts.
So be it, every one upon his/her own self in this whole big world. Everyone dies by his/her own self after all right? I've exhausted all but my puny intellect that is left.
And so befitting a character with his/her nickname. :P
Tata now and have a nice life! :P
1) At least that’s what the Books tell us :P Does make sense does it?
Sure does to those who want to. The rest of us of course are free to choose otherwise.
2) Those who say that the very ideals of Utopia (or Lennon’s Imagone for that matter) only exists in a place far, far away, above the skies from where we mortal humans are all now, will live what they believe.
If you want to be Imagone, you're making great progress already.
The rest of us of course are free to choose otherwise.
3) So like I said, we MUST start somewhere, to have some common grounds to work together.
Who decides what are common grounds, you? Or the majority?
Going to learn Hindi and Mandarin of your own accord? The *majority* will be very happy to hear what you believe. Go ahead by practicing what you preach, nobody's stopping you.
The rest of us of course are free to choose otherwise.
Don't know, or want to know, how to agree to disagree? You of course are free to choose this too, nobody's stopping you. But don't try stopping anyone else either.
Good day everyone :P
Everyone who knows to use the internet has probably heard of John Lennon's hippie tune, Imagine. He sings of a free borderless world, no countries, no religion, all sharing the world as one. I've heard that this idealistic place is called Utopia. Who would not want to live in such a paradise I ask you? :P
It is also said what actually divides a single individual between the next, is the matter of resources. Of which, as opposed to an idealistic Utopian society, is limited here on Earth and is running (as much as we ALL hate it) on a stopwatch :P
For this reason, this idea was then exemplified in an idiom: a dog eat dog world. To further 'soften' the crudeness, we hear of a new term, a Capitalistic society. Those work harder, enjoy a better life. But capital equals money and then when the world started to grow a conscience, denounced money (resources) as the means to a happy living. But then again, this was just not possible because the entire human civilization loved iphones, the flatscreen tvs, Starbucks and logging on to FB. Humans somehow picked up with Lennon's tune and TRYING to share the whole world as one. It is the age in which we live in TODAY. Alas, it's the just the corporate powerhouses under the guise of such a righteous word, ploughing resources around the globe. We may hear of this term being propounded here and there, it is GLOBALIZATION :P
(To digress a lil bit, why would people go to die in world wars? Yes, you got it, rescouces :P But humans begin to realize that killing another for resources is 'inhumane', plus just adding up credit to their Sin account, that's if they have one to begin with :P)
So what we see here is in ONLY in terms of the division of resources between corporate behemoths or countries. We have not yet delved into the 7 cardinal sins of Man, religion, races, families, sibling rivalry, which FURTHER divides us into our individual Self. And everyone is effectively, FIGHTING for his/her survival :P
Well yes, if we do not ask anything of the Government, we let the UMNOPUTRAS go along with themselves, do not have to log on the net and can comfortably live by ourselves in the caves, then all is fine. But we are DEMANDING things from the world, so we simply just cannot act as free individuals and listen to Imagine all day long :P Why? It goes back to resources, as in gold, water, steel, land, we don't have to go on further right? EVERY single person on this world is living on resources, which we have to FIGHT for. Again, that is DEFINITELY why people as the majority, working along hand in hand, understanding, living, working with each other, can DEMAND for more farther greater things. The individual yapping as a lone activist in this LoyarBuruk site just cannot fight and stand ALONE against forces of globalization or countries of economic might, they have BILLIONS OF HUMANS SUPPORTING THEIR CAUSES.
Yes, everyone wants to live in Utopia, who doesn't please raise their hands? :P But some also say that the very ideals of Utopia (or Lennon's Imagone for that matter) only exists in a place far, far away, above the skies from where we mortal humans are all now. This place is called Heaven. At least that's what the Books tell us :P Does make sense does it? That is why we were ALL sent down here on Earth, to deal with all these inequities and transgressions of Man. So like I said, we MUST start somewhere, to have some common grounds to work together.
Good day everyone :P
Polis selalu mengingatkan orang awam untuk meminta kad kuasa ketika mereka skeptis terhadap status orang berseragam. Seperti mana yang dilaporkan di sini
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/7…
Dari link di atas yang sama: orang awam juga dicadang mencatat nama dan nombor ID dari seragam polis apabila diberhentikan polis. Pergilah periksa video Pamela lagi, bolehkah anda mencatat nombor ID kedua-dua orang polis lelaki tersebut?
Kepada mereka yang berpendapat bahawa kedua-dua orang polis lelaki yang tidak memaparkan tag nombor ID mereka betul
dan bahawa Pamelalah yang memprovokasi polis jadi apalah gunanya dengan nasihat daripada link berita yang tersebut di atas yang menasihatkan kita: "itu adalah hak orang awam untuk meminta pengenalan, dan mereka harus melepaskan salah fahaman bahawa polis akan antagonis jika mereka meminta pengenalan."
Bacalah kembali post Pamela, di mana kedua-dua orang polis menjadi marah apabila Pamela meminta Kad Kuasa mereka. Dan lihatlah apa yang terjadi di sini, di mana apabila cadangan yang disarankan itu dipatuhi Pamela, dialah yang dituduh memprovokasikan polis???
Penyokong-penyokong dua orang polis lelaki itu perlu menyemak lagi keutamaan mereka dan menanya mengapa tindakan dan reaksi Pamela terhadap dua orang polis lelaki (yang mana cara berpakaian seragam mereka amat meraguikan) dianggap sebagai provokator, tetapi secara keseluruhannya mengabaikan perbuatan dua orang polis lelaki yang sengaja menyembunyikan nombor ID mereka untuk alasan yang hanya dikenali diri mereka sendiri.
Bahkan dari apa yang dilaporkan di berita saban hari di mana ada begitu ramai polis palsu yang berkeliaran di Malaysia seperti apa yang dilaporkan di sini
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/3…
Selain daripada itu, dengan laporan insiden yang ada anggota-anggota polis yang berniat jahat menyalahgunakan kuasa mereka untuk tujuan yang jahat sekali seperti yang dilaporkan di sini:
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news…
Adakah anda akan masih memilih untuk memihak kepada kedua-dua orang polis lelaki yang jelas sekali tindakan mereka amat meragui, yang mana mereka sengaja hendak menyembunyikan nombor ID mereka? Fikir-fikirkanlah.
But I still maintain though, every human being must learn Hindi and Mandarin, not necessarily speaking the language day in, day out, but at the very least, it reflects the the ties that bond you with this planet we call Earth.
There’s a flipside to every coin and some may argue that it is the imposition of the majority’s will over the minority. But stop just there, how then, can we achieve a sense of togetherness, a sense of oneness, a sense of a shared destiny in such a pluralistic WORLD such as ours?
So like he said, we must start at the fundamental level, that is with *our* language (Hindi and Mandarin). OR we could all live as we wish in a free world where the majority (Indians and Chinese) do not impose anything on anyone by virtue of being the majority.
Good day everyone!
@Mike
You make a lot of sense there friend. Well reading back some of the post, I admit that I may have used AgreeToDisagree as a punching bag in standing for Pamela. And I apologize if I may have gone a bit emotional and over the top on the issues, which like you said, derailed from the main topic.
But I still maintain though, every Malaysia must learn Bahasa Malaysia, not necessarily speaking the language day in, day out, but at the very least, it reflects the the ties that bond you with this land we call Malaysia. Yes everyone would like to live in a world with no boundaries, borderless. But the fact is today, the basic unit for the existance of a society is the land they make their living upon. That fact cannot be disputed, land is also getting scarce as population numbers rise. We do not also have to delve as to how many human lives in the history of ‘civilization’, were lost in maintaining or even acquiring land.
So therein lies my concern as to the importance of oneness of language amongst us all Malaysians. It also acts as a fundamental unit that strengthens the bond between the dwellers of this nation. There’s a flipside to every coin and some may argue that it is the imposition of the majority’s will over the minority. But stop just there, how then, can we achieve a sense of togetherness, a sense of oneness, a sense of a shared destiny in such a pluralistic society such as ours? We even have our own cultures, religion, even our own different names to segregate between other races. Intermarriage is still a taboo.
So how, do we tell ourselves, can we even begin to really live, work and play together? Yes sure, we do, but this is all an artificial reality. The existance we have now is a relationship of ‘need’ rather than ‘want’, meaning to say, if we had the choice, we would rather not live with each other. We live in racial tension rather than racial bond.
So like I said, we must start at the fundamental level, that is with our language.
@ohmybad
If we are nerds, then you must be a supernerd. No offence, just breaking the ice :P
Good day everyone!
I go away for a few days and the nerds have taken over! Typical…
@AR: You could probably have designed another hospital (god knows we need more!) in the time it must have taken you to write all these long, winding, ultimately pointless intellectual jack-offs.
No offense with the jack-off metaphor, but really, that's what all of this amounts to – because both of you have reached a point of blind fury where even the most stunning display of logic and intellect will go unacknowledged by your opponent.
You folks seem like intelligent, gifted people. Why not do something constructive with it?
Or at least stay on topic.
Don't bother yourself replying and let the readers judge this exchange.
Glad you appear to be throughly enjoying yourself. I'd say in this lifetime, someone would be around to collect on my and everyone else's behalf.
"Imagine bro, what it would have been like if everytime YOU would want to take a dump"
The world probably knows by now what pollution your kind represents to humanity, so have fun with that reputation you have been cultivating.
Which brings me to the point . . . if we spoke enough you'd even give me some C4 supplier's number, I don't think this form of clumsiness warrants your continued employ though. Some people don't deserve a happy and comfortable living anywhere among humanity. Guess which ones? *Click*
YOU can ONLY progress within the confines of apartheid and at the expense of others.
We will just be doing our own bid for the rest of the world as well, and what's left of Houston would be easily employed against the likes of you and we'll be equally adamant to own YOUR shit ass.
Thanks for identifying the enemies of Mankind too, I forget I am only talking to a shell of a person, the real MAN who was my equal departed the very day the soul-less animals touched that button. So thanks for the info and the next time you hear from those you supposedly own, it will likely be in the form of a *Click*.
1-300-YOUR-AS-IS-ALREADY-OWNED
Good day Mister Toilet and may you and whoever stands behind you get what you richly deserve.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! AgreeToDisagree got fucked by AR…kudos to AR…spanked him hard bro!!! Told you oledi this AgreeToDisagree only want to spread you leg and stuffed you with his freedom shit…so called mister genius…handcuffed him! whipp his ass n stuffed Pammy's shit to his mouth where it should be….stupid lawyer!!!!
Anyone know what this @AR creep is talking about? If not hurling NLPs, or wielding EMFs (which aren't actionable yet but likely traceable), you're wasting everyone's time.
This is evidence of where you and your kind concentrate your mental efforts. On how and when people take a shit. Progress reports on the amount of sewage produced. It must make you so proud to have such special skill sets.
That is why some people will NEVER EVER be able to stand as equals. They are unable to even think on an even playing field and will never be able to do so anymore as their attention becomes increasingly enmired in in the toilet activities of people living around them.
Truly absolute power corrupts. And when the already weak minded become weaker by such dependency on paradigms of fascism (technological or otherwise) and hatred (bred on a false sense of superiority based on abuse of others), what results is a mere soul-less animal in human form. So this is how the UMNO-putra feel so confident about themselves, their personal power literally comes from controlling the toilet, how fitting, but a step down for sure . . .
From now onwards, your conscience is owned by whoever's toilet you live at ok? You can only have a conscience only when we shit. We wholeheartedly give you our permission. Cos we're kind like that and thats appears to be the only way you can communicate with anyone.
This government has entirely lost it's soul and it's mind. And thanks for confirming to all of us how to vote and what to think of you.
And good day to you Mister Toilet *CLICK* Ok, you have a soul now. ROFLOL! Sickest and most low minded people in the world . . .
The police have always reminded people to ask for authority cards when they are skeptical about the status of the uniformed man. As reported here:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/7…
Also, from the same link: the advice given was to take note of the name and ID number off the uniform of the police men. Now, go check the video again, can you note down the two police men ID number?
So, those who think that the two police men are in the right and that Pamela had provoke the police then what's with the advice from the same news peace link above that said:"it is the public’s right to ask for identification and they have to let go of the misconception that the police would be antagonistic if they do so."
Now read back as Pamela's post, the two police men went livid the moment she asked for their ID. Now, why advice the public something and when one of the citizen did exactly what was advised she was accused of provoking the police????
All supporter of the two police men should check their priority and ask why is it the action and reaction of Pamela towards two dubiously dressed uniform cop be deemed as the provocateur, and completely overlooked the misconduct of two police men deliberately hiding their ID number for reasons best known to themselves.
With so many fake cops running loose in Malaysia as reported here:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/3…
And real cops up to no good as reported here:
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news…
And you still choose to side with the two unruly policemen, you really need your head examined.
kamu sendiri yang tulis di atas ” and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke”.
dah terang lagi bersuluh. kamu patut baca RED BOOK (BAHASA MALAYSIA) Hak-hak anda bila Ditahan Polis Malaysia http://blogserius.blogspot.com/2010/10/serius-ketahui-hak-anda-bila-ditahan.html
lastly, kenapa kamu rasa kamu betul? lepas tu, seakan-akan minta semua fellow malaysian sokong tindakan kamu dengan menerbitkan video itu.
dan kenapa kamu fikir ‘All this, I learnt, how little Malaysians know abt their rights. Worse, how little they know of those who got murdered when they (cont…
3:58 PM Oct 14th via Twittelator
…cont) followed impersonator cops who intimidated them to do so. One such incident was at Sunway. Pls be careful.’
kami tak perlukan video kamu itu sebagai panduan. sebab video itu hanya menyerlahkan seorang rakyat Malaysia yang tak hormat undang-undang.
setuju, bagi yg xberapa pandai cakap mat saleh xdpt la nak paham apa yg mat saleh kat atas ni cakap ….. mcm bukan duduk kat malaysia lak rasanya….
Mohon maaf kepada orang berbahasa Melayu yg tak faham perbincangan di atas. Apa nak buat…Bahasa Melayu memang tiada tempat di Tanah Melayu. Ini adalah salah satu CONTOH sahaja betapa..
Labuh biduk bertutup atap
Buat berteduh si gadis ayu
@AgreeToLetMyAssOwned
Yeah, yap, yap, yap, bla, bla, bla. See you’re even a coward, you dare not even tell what do you do for living, hiding behind this obscure website. Your name is a giveaway, AgreeToDisagree: to everything or anything that people do. You find solace in imposing your well polished English upon the lesser taught, but when people impose you to use BM, you back off. That is what YOU are, just good with words, but still, a LOYAR BURUK, HABUK PUN TARAK :p
And see so typical of people like you, you even have to recycle back people’s stale jokes. That’s what you are in fact in reality, you lack creativity and like a vampire feed on other people’s mistakes, you find joy and solace in it. When people come with an idea, do a job or something, there you come, the all knowing of things, Mister Genius. You have all the answers to everything there is in the world, but YOU must WAIT for someone else to do it first. You ONLY come with your constructive whines, that’s what you are and will ever achieve in your life. Sad but true, just you wait and see :P
You are kinda clever though, I’d give you the benefit of the doubt. But what a waste, *CLICK* and good day :P
@AgreeToLetMyAssOwned
Well ok, you got me there Mister Genius. But I am PROUD to admit that our overall scope of work does actually entail taking care of people’s shit. Literally speaking ok :P Well I admit that was years ago and I wasn’t that predisposed to designing sewerage treatment plant designs. It’s quite a highly speciliazed skill, just like YOU said. See, aren’t you a genius? DUH
Imagine bro, what it would have been like if everytime YOU would want to take a dump, you’d have to go to the sea or rivers, hence polluting it all the more with YOUR shit? :P That would be a pollution of mammoth proportions bypassing even the BP oil spill in the US, I reckon just. ROFLOL
So yeah, I do take care of people’s shit along with designing shopping complexes, hospitals, houses so everyone can have a happy and comfortable living in this land we call Malaysia.
So coming back to you, tell me honestly now, what have YOU contributed to society, apart from all your senseless whines and whatnot? Like I guessed so, ZILCH right? :P If not destabilizing, planting seeds of mistrust amongst all Malaysians?
On most part, for me, people like you that make a helluva noise are just, well, background noise :P You are all over this LoyarBuruk site. See, it’s even aptly named for people like YOU, LOYARBURUK, CAKAP BANYAK, HABUK PUN TARAK. I am sure you are all over youtube even. All you know is to complain, yap, yap, yap, all day and night till 5 in the AM. To you, nothing of what people do is ever right. Just cos you know a tiny weeny little bit of LAW, you think you’re superior over people? GO MINDFUCK YOURSELF WITH YOUR PUNY INTELLECT :P
Which brings me to the point why I’ve actually OWNED your smelly piece of a shit ass in the first place. YOUR shit is so TOXIC that there is no treatment plant, no known element known to man that get rid of it, it must be slinged-shot straight outta the earth’s atmosphere to the sun for nuclear combustion :P We would require Houston’s help for that too. ROFLOL. So now you know why I am so adamant to owning your piece of a shit ass, I’m just doing my bid for the rest of Malaysians, saving them from YOURS AND PAMMY’S SHIT.
Well, I’m quite of a busy person and I may not be able to supervise on all your shitting activities. So if you feel like it’s time to answer nature’s call, you can ring this number at 1-300-MY-AS-IS-OWNED, I’ll *CLICK* it for you :P
Good day Mister Genius and may you stay and whine in this site forever and ever, it’s where you belong anyway, where people like YOU can ONLY progress within the confines of this website :P Belittling other people. Just don’t forget to ring that number ok for a *CLICK*. And by the way it’s not a toll free number, just in case you’re so dumb that your BRAIN is equally full of shit. ROFLOL
@AgreeToDisagree
Oh I must add to this. EVERYONE seems to be against you and Pammy here. If you cannot see that you are WRONG. It's not because you're the all righteous, no you are DEFINITELY not. It's because you suffer from schizophrenic deluisons of grandeur yourself, and your but puny intellect. Wake up, friend.
*CLICK, CLICK* Just a gonner, no hope left for you bro. Have a great day nonetheless :P
?@AgreeToDisagree
Hey didn’t I just tell you to STFU? But yeah, I knew you’d just come back, you and your intelligent BS. Aghast throughout cos it came as a jolting shock to your pea sized brain (assuming even if it does EXIST) right? :P Now it’s irreversibly, permenantly damaged, I just knew what I gave you back there was information OVERLOAD for you. Everyone here gave you a chance, but you were adamant, so be it. Hey but look at the bright side, we can write up a psyche thesis on YOUR case. DUH
And yeah sure Mister Genius, ALL the readers to see that YOU and PAMMY are two twisted freaks who are in the WRONG. Can’t you see they’re pretty much not giving a flying fuck to your causes? What a sordid excuse for the existance of the entire human race, the twos of you clowns, Jesus!
And why do you keep referring to UMNOPUTRAS? I am not affiliated to any political organisation. I’m just bemused with humans like you and Pammy, crawling bout this place. See, you’re just a biased sick retard. You and all that you stand for. Shoo! Go crawl to some other place, you two despicable selves :P
See like I told you, this was exactly the way to deal with mental retards like you, going down to YOUR level of intellect :P SEE YOU CAN’T SAY NOTHING ANYMORE, YOUR ECHR, WW2 STRATEGY SHIT AND ALL COS YOUR SMELLY DIRTY LOOSE ASS IS OWNED AND ITS GONNA BE PAWNED SOON ENOUGH FOSHO! ROFLOL
*CLICK*
Now this isn’t a stopwatch la ok. It’s a device attached to your smelly ass to remind your pea sized brain that your ass is now a WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY COS I’M GONNA OWN PAMMY’S PUSSY AS WELL :P From now onwards, you can only shit when I press *CLICK*, we got that clear? And one more thing, those bloody apartheid mottos you always seem to have down there, you can shove it up your smelly ass as well. I wholeheartedly give you my permission. Just cos I’m kind like that. LOL
And good day to you Mister Genius *CLICK* Ok, you can shit now. ROFLOL!
@AgreeToDisagree
I am eternally regretful that I simply cannot and will not waste my precious time entertaining hopeless, selfish, self centered, arrogant, egotistical, thickskulled people like you, and much less, rebutting all your nonsenscal twisted crap. So I'm simply just not reading none of your re-butts (pun inteded) LOL. Time is ticking and I've better things to do with it (I'm already regretting all the time I spent with you) :P So I'll cut to the chase and also for the benefit of other readers, have a this hurried discourse now here. Because I'm kind like that. But be forewarned: I am lowering my morals here cos this is the ONLY way to put some sense into schmucks like you, AgreeToDisagree, that's going down to YOUR level of intellect :P
Lets pick up from the alien thingy. Remember few comments away? You with your Universe of endless possibilities tagline? You're such a genius, I just hate you bro! :P Well, I'm just doing some planning on what to draft in my will entitled, 'In case any of my descendants bump into aliens or even stay with them'. Hmmm, once in the alien's world, I do actually really wish for them to remain defiant and stick with Earth language, self determinism, bla, bla, bla *insert all AgreeToDisagree's brilliant genius thinking here*. DUH. Maybe I'll ask them to cite them articles from the HR charter that YOU so uphold? By the way, did you really MEMORIZE them bloody damn Articles, like for fun? IF you really did, then I deeply symphatise with you bro, that's so pathetic man, you're like a real life walking joke la bro. Come on la bro, quit acting like a naive piece of a living schmuck, grow up, grow a penis or grow some pubic hair, or get a life, but really, I couldn't give a rat's smelly bottom with a twisted prick like you. But I do symphatise with you nonetheless, if you really did MEMORIZE them. ROFLOL. Conversely, I've some issues with remembering British company law cases, they're so long, do you have a way with it, like mnemonics and stuff? :P
But coming back to the grave issue at hand, of your Universe of endless possibilities and writing my will :P Barking ECtHR clauses and demanding things in a language unfamiliar to them aliens wouldn't seem too polite now would it? It's just NOT the right way to pay homage to your hosts like that, human rights or no human rights, they're not humans anyway (gothca bro! pun intended, again) ROFLOL. Sigh, sounds like Houston, kita ada masalah la. Oh yeah, have you watched that 12Malaysia short flick in youtube with Khairy Jamaluddin in it? You should bro, it's really funny. And damn well good time spent as compared to Pammy's slutty whiney vid. LOL
Tsk, I just hope my descendants don't bump into mean aliens like Predator or Alien. Yikes, they're scary aren't they? :P So what say you, Mister Brilliant Strategist, Saviour of all Mankind and the Universe? But then again, I'm sure as hell praying for them not to bump into beings like your twisted self! In fact, I hope some aliens abduct you some day and lets see how YOU fair with your BS talk, *insert all the known AgreeToDisagree's I will only speak in my own language ideology here*. It'll be such a great spectacle bro, listening to you yapping crap, I reckon they'll just cut you up into pieces and feed you to the alien dogs. Fingers crossed! ROFLOL
Jokes aside, I'm dead serious here you know. Richard Branson's also actually aligning with your Universe of endless possibility theme. Heard of Virgin Galactic, you know that right, sending travellers to space? See, I knew you were a master brilliant strategist, just like Branson. D-U-H.
*CLICK*
Aku bagi kau extra time la tadi brader, sebab aku baik macam tu. Harap hari anda ceria. TRANSLATION: I was giving you extra time bro, cos I'm kind like that. Hope you have a nice day (just in case you know, if you don't know even know a single simple shit in Bahasa) So just stop it there, STOP IT! Just save yourself with all your intelligent BS. You don't have to take your time out to enlighten me why I'm not surprised either way, if you're a TOTAL FAILURE in Bahasa Malaysia that is. AND THE FACT THAT I KNOW FOR DAMN FUCKING SURE, JUST BY WRITING THIS, I'VE GIVEN YOU THE BEST MENTAL BLOWJOB THAT YOU'VE EVER EXPERIENCED. AND YOU CAN NEVER FIGHT BACK, NOT WITH YOUR BRAINS, NO YOU CAN'T. ROFLOL
p/s: Don't take it too literally la ok bro, giving you a mental blowjob, I'm not gay and I'm sure you'll look as despicable as the crap you write. Oh yeah, that's it! You need to be mentally laid. Shit maybe Pammy your sweetheart can help you with that. Man, your smelly dirty ass is so officially OWNED bro! By yours truly. ROFLOL
*CLICK, CLICK* :P
I was aghast throughout . . . this exchange could be the basis of a psyche thesis . . . the writing is now on the wall and the readers are no fools.
. . . bla bla bla and then he goes . . . AND THE FACT THAT I KNOW FOR DAMN FUCKING SURE, JUST BY WRITING THIS, I’VE GIVEN YOU THE BEST MENTAL BLOWJOB THAT YOU’VE EVER EXPERIENCED. AND YOU CAN NEVER FIGHT BACK, NOT WITH YOUR BRAINS, NO YOU CAN’T. ROFLOL
I didn’t know that thinking was a sexual act. Does that mean your brain is a d*ck? Or is it you are thinking with you d*ck. A self-hating repressed homosexual? It must really just be you, and can’t be an entire race, well barring UMNO-putras maybe.
ROFLOL at yourself!
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
AgreeToDisagree spanked Pam's ASS = GUILTY
Video clip only to create sensation = Guilty
LoyarBurok people wants glamour only…REAL intention poison people's mind = Guilty
Free sex, bondage, spanking, bdsm, sex with animal in the name of human & animal right is the real intention = guilty
@AgreeToDisagree
I've finished with my reading and I am going to bed in a little while so I apologoze if I do not reciprocate on all your points.
– free world, linguistic neural structures
Ok, for arguments sake, let's just imagine this scenario (which I am sure you can, with that high degree imagination that you seem to possess) hundreds of years from now, humanity travels to a distant galaxy, where no man has been before, far, far away. Humanity then bumps into an alien on HIS planet. Because you are a brilliant strategist, I really, really do wish to subscribe to your 'Universe of endless possibility' theme of a world. I am not professori Hawkings either way, but I do foresee some trouble if humanity INSISTS on conversing with the alien with his own language he's familiar with, rather than the aliens. Breakdown of communication is inevitable, to say the least, if not zapping Adam's and Eve's descendants totally out of existance. Yeah you know, I'm just trying to understand YOUR universe of infinitetimal possibilities here. But then again, if the aliens were kind enough though, they'd probably bring a stopwatch like I did :P
– Human Rights Charter
Please, do not overwhelm yourself with clauses cited from ECHR, an institution in itself which is practising double standards and bias (they caught the buthchers of Bosnia, why the heck it's taking them so long to finish up on them?) In my line of work, rules are governed by the laws of physics, rules that you cannot bend and circumvent. You MUST comply to the laws of nature, else any engineering system is deemed to fail. However, my foray with the law suggests that these are laws made by man and equally, can be undone by man, to the liking of his tastebuds. Law eveloves or digresses with the times, with the collective moral conscience of the day. There is a subject called Common Law Reasoning in LLB, which we were asked, do judges make law? Sure hell he does. And judges can also be peodophiles, just like the good old priests in Vatican. Tomorrow perhaps, the clauses you cited will be amended and you will have to look at loopholes to save your own neck. So speak not highly of those clauses, its just a mechanism utilized by some people just to decieve gullible people like you. And it's also infectious, that is exactly what you're doing right now, beating around the bush and avoiding the issues that really matter.
– So, are we ready to say ‘when’ now?
Looking at how thickskulled you are and how you seem to dwell in fairy tales, knight in shining armor myths, I think there is no hope left in you. You are just too arrogant to change for the sake of the greater good. You insist on keeping your name, your culture, your language, everything that is yours to be kept as yours. Yet at the same time, you DEMAND other people, the majority to change for you, to overhaul their total beliefs, thinking, way of life for your own sake. You complain of people yet you do not mirror your own self. You accuse other people practicising apartheid or whatever big words that you seem to proclaim, but you are the one who is too selfish to give into people. You can use whatever mechanism there is in trying to sound right, but you know yourself, you, as well as Pammy here, is WRONG. You and Pammy are one and the same, just arrogant, selfish, selfcentered human beings that try to twist things to their own advantage. You are the the all knowing, the all righteous, that can fix things with a clap. Yes, you. But I'm here to say to you: YOUR way is never ever gonna work my friend. Not in this world we live in today. Perhaps in the Afterlife, but not here.
*CLICK* Time's up for you. And have a good day :P
(1)Self confessed citizen journalist and demanding your rights in a land that you can’t even speak it’s language right. Just pathetic, I tell you.
It's their right, in a free world wider than that limit you have placed on insistence on the way any person wishes to develop their own linguistic neural structures. The nation is only as strong as the individual, and the uniformity, attack on self determinism in the guise of nationalism a wholly artificial concept, as you support is untenable and limiting in a Universe of endless possibility.
(2)If global government were to occur immediately, Hindi and Mandarin would be enforced on everyone. I know it’s challenging, adapting to different peoples. So how MANY generations exactly would you need to learn Hindi or Mandarin? Or would you just leave whoever to learn what ever they want to at their leisure as elucidated in Human Rights Charter :
Article 13(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 18.Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 29.(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
Article 29.(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
Article 30.Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
*CLICK*, ok it works. It’s ok, don't wait up, HUMANITY is just free minded like that, and patience alone is not enough :P
(3) Indonesia is a nation with a population of over 200million. I am told that everyone speaks Bahasa Indonesia there, the Chinese, Indians, everyone. They learnt to speak in like what, ONE generation to educate the whole 200million beings? I am also told that not much government expenditure was incurred in this exercise :P
So are we ready to say, ‘when’ now? Oh ok, not yet.
Even in Indonesia the Human Rights Charter applies. They learnt to speak Indonesian? Fabulous. Well we FREE GLOBAL CITIZENS reserve the right not to as well! We also reserve the right to CHOOSE anuy language we want to. Will we be persecuted for exercising our god given free will? Will India or China demand Malay citizens learn Hindi and mandarin? Doubtful. Force not any tongues upon any or the fate that fell the Tower of Babel will ensue.
(4) Which brings me to my next point, ‘encapsulates German failure in strategy as well.’ Oh sure, they’re real terrible strategists, that’s why they’re only the 4th largest economy in the whole wide world and the 1st in Europe. Sure friend, they know nothing about strategizing. I think you are a brilliant strategist though. Really, I do :P
Was referring to WW2 strategy. Really I was :P
(5) ‘when’? Ok not yet. I’ll wait.
Thanks for waiting. And I'm sure all others await as well. SOme in vain also for many LIFETIMES worth. How about paying a visit to the translator and not wasting your time? I'm absolutely fine with where I am even as others will too learn because it is in their nature or personal preference. Self Determinism and the ability to respect freedom of choice must go along with patience my friend.
(6) Finally my thoughts on you, AgreeToDisagree, your language is fanciful and you speak of concepts and ideas parallel to geniuses.
Hardly. But the FREEDOM OF MANKIND remains whatever fanciful language or grunts and snorts issue from those of lesser intelligence.
(7) But in our context here, in the case of Pammy, Citizen Role Model numero uno, you are clearly deploying her tactics here, utilizing big words and jargons, which CLEARLY isn’t working. You just cannot deceive or intimidate people that way these days. Not you, nor Pammy. All your arguments pretty much boils down to ZILCH and UTTER NONSENSE.
Am I. Well I cannot change your perceptions now can I? I however insist I am not deploying any tactics. What are big words and jargons? Tools to ensure mutual respect and free will to end APARTHEID with. I don't know why anyone would be intimidated by this except those with guilty consciences perhaps? Pray tell, which of my arguments are zilch and utter nonsense?
(9) So, are we ready to say ‘when’ now? Yeah, like I guessed so. Good day :P
Whenever you are ready to end apartheid/grant equality and even then, subject to OUR own preference, as free citizens of the WORLD! Or will you threaten free citizens of the world for choosing a language they prefer? Yeah, like you guessed so?
Fellow citizen of this planet, my ownership of the wealth and lands in this world is no less than yours by virtue of my humanity and though larger in number if we choose to favour ethnicity or faith, and owning more lands combined, already expect nothing of you. DO you have any right to expect anything of us?
We cannot choose who we are born as or where we are born at, so do not presume to choose for anyone what they wish to speak/learn or how they wish to live/or die on a planet that belongs to Nature itself alone. Shall we play predator and prey and forget humanity while we're at it? Or you could tell me and everyone else that are 'not you', that *WE* (Humanity) are free to do as we will and live as we please?
Good day indeed :P
@AgreeToDisagree:
You are romanticizing the Germany of the olde. Let's not digress here, we must move on and progress and not dwell on people's past mistakes. I believe that societies as a whole, can change for the good. Just like after the Japs were bombed, their whole paradigm of looking at the world changed. Same can be said with people. People can change too, just not sure if people like Pam will ever be able to though. Or maybe she's too impoverished to change, waiting for handouts by the government to teach her a lesson or two in Bahasa Malaysia. Self confessed citizen journalist and demanding your rights in a land that you can't even speak it's language right. Just pathetic, I tell you.
Less cosmopolitan immigrant? Well ok, that's an argument alright, I hear you and I have a heart too. I know it's challenging, adapting to different environments. So how MANY generations exactly would you need to learn BM? 2, 3, 4, 5? Ok, just say 'when' and I'll start clicking the stopwatch. *CLICK*, ok it works. It's ok, I'll wait, I'm just patient like that :P
Indonesia is a nation with a population of over 200million. I am told that everyone speaks Bahasa Indonesia there, the Chinese, Indians, everyone. They learnt to speak in like what, ONE generation to educate the whole 200million beings? I am also told that not much government expenditure was incurred in this exercise :P
So are we ready to say, 'when' now? Oh ok, not yet.
Which brings me to my next point, 'encapsulates German failure in strategy as well.' Oh sure, they're real terrible strategists, that's why they're only the 4th largest economy in the whole wide world and the 1st in Europe. Sure friend, they know nothing about strategizing. I think you are a brilliant strategist though. Really, I do :P
'when'? Ok not yet. I'll wait.
Finally my thoughts on you, AgreeToDisagree, your language is fanciful and you speak of concepts and ideas parallel to geniuses. But in our context here, in the case of Pammy, Citizen Role Model numero uno, you are clearly deploying her tactics here, utilizing big words and jargons, which CLEARLY isn't working. You just cannot deceive or intimidate people that way these days. Not you, nor Pammy. All your arguments pretty much boils down to ZILCH and UTTER NONSENSE.
So, are we ready to say 'when' now? Yeah, like I guessed so. Good day :P
Sounds like someone has chanelled their spank-fetish frustration online . . .
@AR :
excerpts: “When one doesn’t speak the language of the country in which one lives that doesn’t serve anyone, neither the person concerned, the country, nor the society,”
ANS : Hitler stood for a military and fascistic culture which had death camps to deal with those different from them. Though no lover of Zionism, I think there were MANY among those Jews that were gassed that were regular citizens of the world and had not plotted the downfall of any government, further taking into account that a government may not necessarily represent the people's wishes.
Also military cultures are looked down upon everywhere, not that Hitler won the war either, so that encapsulates German failure in strategy as well. Hitler is not the right role model. This also means that 10% of Germans need to learn to separate FASCIST NATIONALISM and MULTICULTURISM in the context of a globalised world.
As for the issue on language or cultural homogeneity, it would be best that the police take up local languages in the minority areas to reach out to them, as a government has the resources ordinary citizens do not have and should not impose on the largely impoverished sectors of immigrant population. Those who refuse to assimilate are not harming anyone, they are just less cosmopolitan CITIZENS OF THE WORLD thats all. Let them be. So long as they pay taxes and are not terrorists their presence should not warrant regressive treatment of their differences. Treat them as autistic at worst (don't make them autistic though with poisonous/damaged vaccines), but do promote birth control to maintain populations at most otherwise. This is *IF* and only if, resources are unable to sustain populations to not become another form of discrimination. Killing unborn children via various methods or sterilisation of mothers is unconscionably criminal and an unthinkable crime – let the criminal minded be forewarned!
Various political analysts, commentators and pundits have confirmed that it is not Germany that is becoming Nazi again, but that Angela Merckel is trying to ensure her political coalition continues to rule. Only 30% of Germans believe in this with 10% of Germans wanting a Fuhrer again.
So @PamPamPooki if you want to play our your BDSM fantasies, by all means legislate it into reality along with ITEM 2 below, its kinda inappropriate to subject us to you embarassing yourself . . .
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
Pammy…bring your invincible army to Germany and start spanking…
ohmybad…spank AgreeToDisagree too if you dare…make him agree to condemn Pammy naughtiness…or else whip his ass…
excerpts: "When one doesn't speak the language of the country in which one lives that doesn't serve anyone, neither the person concerned, the country, nor the society,"
So you know what to do now Pam :P
ohmybad :
Who is the Sultan of Terengganu?!
Better take care who you mention to justify your racism or to make your slanted case. I don't think the Sultan would like being associated to the low class fracas and various insults and threats here. There are bigger issues like apartheid and a corrupted and regressed Malay psyche to address, if you guys represent a professional class or bureaucrat class or adun class, then Malaysia is finished . . .
Hello guyz….
First and foremost I am not Malay, Chinese or Indian, I am not even Malaysian!! I have been lucky to spend the past 20years of my life here and they have been the best so far……… now on to the main issue:
From a ‘neutral’ perspective, I have come to the following conclusions without bias to any party or race!
1) Pam committed a traffic offense = GUILTY!
2) Pam scribbled on an official police document without the legal powers/rights to do so (and being that PDRM = Royal Malaysian Police she is indirectly insulting the King, the Prime Minister and the Malaysian constitution. = GUILTY!
3) Failing to comply with specific directives of a uniformed law enforcer = GUILTY!
(please no one should give give me any bullshit about human rights/freedom of expression. In the USA where the 5th Amendment is worshiped and respected to the letter; handcuffs would have been slapped on instantly and Pam arrested for ‘resisting arrest’ and ‘obstruction of justice’
4) Arrogant and Instigatory = GUILTY!
Watching the video it was almost like she was trying her best to provoke/instigate the obviously ‘young’ police officers to do something out-of-line which would then justify her so called ‘police report’. It is obvious she went out ‘searching’ for trouble and we all know when you do that long it enough, it is bound to find you be it real or superficial.
Conclusion:
This is simply a well planned and executed case of Intentional Provocation which Pam had hoped she would use to further her cause (whatever that may be).
I commend the officers for keeping their cool and letting her on her way as its always good to avoid ’empty drums’ coz we all know they make the loudest raucous.
The Cops were the victims in this case and not Pam!!
1) ignorance of the law is not an excuse, “offence i did not consciously commit”
Ok. So where does one go to LEARN the law. Is it part of any curriculum? Can everyone afford to study law on top of their education? Is there a citizen's handbook we get when we are 21 years old? Do immigrants get such briefing? Whats the SOP to ensure there is no 'ignorance of the law', especially in less obvious offences than not being on the phone while driving?
2) "the audacity to talk on her phone, break the law"
'Audacity' seems kinda nazi-like init? Break the law part is cool, can't be argued, though some laws should be re-written as they cannot be applied in word rater than spirit? Also what leeway could be given if possible? For example, its late there no traffic and someone calls. A policeman observing this could use leeway to ignore the offence. These are the differences between malicious compliance and consideration for the citizen. Just like the commentators choosing to dehumanise Pam and the minorities by extension instead of figure out how to reconcile Pam and the matter.
Ending apartheid is the best reconciliation IMHO and constitutionally, those Special Privileges are WAAAY expired and only used to justify theft by a certain clique of Malays, which I will not insist that you are somehow fronting.
Otherwise an environment of fear and malaise will be created where people do not want to go out anymore and hurl insults in forum like these instead of defusing them. Is this the truly asia Malaysia we want to have? A kind Malaysia or an evil one?
I think you guys have been and are still being unnecessarily mean to Pam even when compared to PDRM's excellent and conciliatory response. The onus is on the authorities and indirectly on the host race as well to reconcile.
These are intangible aspects that the mean spirited commentators completely gloss over to have an opportunity to be all chauvinistic about, showing the low minded natures of a certain segment of our populace. It's not obvious but the racist undertones are everywhere and cannot be denied, even while apartheid continues around us. We're all learning aren't we, so I can't condemn anyone, as people do change and with the modicum of intelligence displayed here, it is not impossible . . .
Finally, did you know that the frontal cortex does not develop until the mid 20s or later in some people? How about taking into account such biological factors as well before threatening assault and rape which in turn indicate the same lack of maturity being displayed.
By the way 'make a sandwich' is for maids or cooks to do, not wives, at least wives from good backgrounds anyway. 'Better' men will not expect this from women coming from families of good background, not should they accept that. If you subject the mother of your child to being a maid, your child's mother is merely a maid. I'm not here to teach you about caste but you can certainly extrapolate the implications of your attitude from here I sure . . .
(1) an institution in itself which is practising double standards and bias
Every nation will strive to uphold these laws, if butchery is on a subliminal and subconscious level, then application of ‘peace-keeping’ will be applied at the same as well.
(2) You MUST comply to the laws of nature, else any engineering system is deemed to fail.
It is YOU who must comply ?to? the laws of nature, else the engineers of this system will deem you to have failed. Don’t ask how, I am certain you will be understand.
(3) but I do foresee some trouble if humanity INSISTS on conversing with the alien with his own language he’s familiar with, rather than the aliens. Breakdown of communication is inevitable, to say the least, if not zapping Adam’s and Eve’s descendants totally out of existance.
If humanity means non-Bumi to you somehow, and aliens (Bumi) blast Adam and Eve for not speaking their language, then I believe aliens aren’t very good examples of sentient or civilised life and could be subject to appropriate treatment.
(4) Yeah you know, I’m just trying to understand YOUR universe of infinitetimal possibilities here.
I don’t really think so. But if you insist you are I won’t bother arguing with you as the readers can make that judgment for themselves if you have . . .
(5) But then again, if the aliens were kind enough though, they’d probably bring a stopwatch like I did :P
Well don’t wait till the non-aliens bring out their own stopwatch. It’d be dreadful if they did that stop watch thing, though it would not make them anymore civilised than ‘aliens’ so I doubt they would.
(6) Tomorrow perhaps, the clauses you cited will be amended and you will have to look at loopholes to save your own neck. So speak not highly of those clauses, its just a mechanism utilized by some people just to decieve gullible people like you.
Welcome to the universe of infinite possibility as opposed to what 2 world wars have taught us? By that reasoning, all laws of common decency could end as well. So whats stopping a holocaust from occuring now? The very same gullible people who believe in civilisation. Would you consider yourself among the gullible? Consider your answer carefully . . .
(7) And it’s also infectious, that is exactly what you’re doing right now, beating around the bush and avoiding the issues that really matter.
Is there a reason it shouldn’t be infectious? Oh yes, some things are beyond your perception I suppose. By your fractured logic how am I beating around the bush if there is already none?
(8) Looking at how thickskulled you are and how you seem to dwell in fairy tales, knight in shining armor myths, I think there is no hope left in you.
If you will not embody civilisation and higher values, then you only confirm certain things which I need not describe by this supposed cultivated cynicism. It is not hope in me you need to worry about though . . .
(9) You are just too arrogant to change for the sake of the greater good.
Who decides what greater good is? You? Or 2 world wars and mankind’s sordid history of wrongs? He can’t see the mirror for what it is and projects his arrogance on me. If you can’t face the truth . . .
(10) You insist on keeping your name, your culture, your language, everything that is yours to be kept as yours. Yet at the same time, you DEMAND other people, the majority to change for you, to overhaul their total beliefs, thinking, way of life for your own sake.
How inward looking can a person get? Projection of your own flaws on another race does not exonerate you from having to face the reality of what you are. Is it possible that certain portions of an entire population’s brain, the EQ portions specifically, are non-functional? It is with sincere concern when I say this.
(11) You complain of people yet you do not mirror your own self.
It might be a ‘skill’ from your ancient ancestors worth preserving in neural records that have likely been already done, I respect your ability or belief that you can bend reality of another’s perception by deluding yourself.
I am glad much of humanity is superior to your primitive mindset, and invite all among you with this sense of mind who are able to, to try to learn to live with other races. You display no ethical or sense of principles that Islam has, though you embrace it’s form and word.
Is this the true UMNO-putra, Freemason, Zionist? Such lack of empathy displayed is quite unnatural to civilised people I must say.
Unless these comments are a form of psy-war ploy as used upon an unsuspecting populace as by a well trained BN propagandist, your attempt has been very mind opening to me and I am sure everyone else who is able to agree to disagree.
Could an entire portion of a race simply lack EQ like this? Amazing. Time’s up for you rather. *CLICK*, but I believe your switch is broken.
And have what passes for you as a good day, as whats left of your false reality crumbles around you. Talk about gaps in perception – WOW! :P
@Chris Ang
Please mention the userid. You remind me of a certain exIGP that drops a bombshell and then proceeds to leave everyone in the dark. I bet you're one of those people that farts in a lift and blames the paraplegic in the corner. Don't worry, I do it all the time too.
In fact, will the Real Pam please stand up?!
Kindly take a bow, raise your hand and be counted! I won't think differently of you cause I've already made up my mind. ;)
You intimidated the pigs in blue and you used your gender as a weapon by crying intimidation and mind rape.
You are a threat to men everywhere and therefore a threat to national/global security. I hope the MIB put you away under the ISA.
Pamela Lim, Citizen Journalist number ONE and God’s invincible army, you MUST read this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017/wl_afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration
I'm not a fan of our police force and yes, I do have a negative impression of them. She's definitely wrong by using the 'LOUD SPEAKER' assuming it is 'HANDS FREE'. She claims to have the holster but why not use it? Defeats the purpose doesn't it?
BTW, if you were flagged by a police, stop and ask for the reason. If it is not acceptable, then drive to a nearby police station or otherwise take the summon and leave. Scribbling on the book is definitely WRONG!
BTW, I really don't agree with what she mentioned. If she had doubts on whether they were really cops, why did she wind down the window fully and then presented them with her IC and driving license? What's more, she mentioned that she paid the fine. Admitting to breaking the law?
She is contradicting to whatever she has mentioned and the purpose of this video. Save yourself the embarrassment and take down the video. BTW, I do agree with some people her hiding behind another name and posting comments. It's obvious. I don't think I need to mention the userid. :)
Cheers.
Yes, I'd put Pam on a rack and abuse her. "What's MY NAME?! *SPANK* What's your name?! *SPANK* Who's the Prime Minister?! *Spank* Who is the Sultan of Terengganu?! *SPANK*"
Just to be clear, I'm not a sadist. I'm just a genuinely curious person.
As for freedom to gangbang? I would LOVE to see that! I'd love to see Ibrahim Ali having a go at the makcik makcik PAS and the aunty aunty DAP. Even Chua Soi Lek WILL jump ship and join Pakatan- for sure!
ignorance of the law is not an excuse, “offence i did not consciously commit” – my ass…
“I told them, I didn’t think that I have committed an offence per se, but if they say that I have, then I am willing to accept the summons as I’m obviously in the wrong by using the phone according to them.” – why did u write a protest on the ticket then??
ini orang aAa crita putar belit juga…
PAS/PKR in Pakatan…better gangbang AgreeToDisAgree…freedom to gangbang people..!!!
So Pam can suck my winky and yes, she can also make me a sandwich after. It’s in her job description- fellatio, swallow, serve sandwiches.
ohmybad….you're naughty boy..!!! Teach Pam a lesson. don't forget to whip her ass!
AgreeToDisAgree fuck you!!!
@AgreeToDisAgree
Sorry dude…but I think you're missing the point here. It's got nothing to do with chivalry or the lack of. It has everything to do with Pam, the animal, who had the audacity to talk on her phone, break the law, FILM IT and cry mind rape!
This woman needs to get her tubes clamped before she breeds!
If she cannot take the "heat", then she has no business posting on an open forum. Expecting me to take her side of the story when she was CLEARLY in the wrong is insane! Which narcissist would ever do that?!
So Pam can suck my winky and yes, she can also make me a sandwich after. It's in her job description- fellatio, swallow, serve sandwiches.
Ok I admit I might have been a little harsh on Pam. But my previous argument still stands: She is a danger to road users and to the gene pool and should be barred from driving and breeding. ;)
bravo bravo….. u,re trully a loyar burok..
from ur video clip, it clearly show ur true loyar burok. looking for cheap publicity. I got the feeling that u,ve get ur self ready for the video clip and ur purposely provoke the 2 policemen on duty. u said " saya takut, saya sangat takut sekarang" and closing ur conversation and getting niat burok fulfill, u can bye2 the police with ur rasa sangat puas hati setelah mempermainkan polis. citizen like u will only create disharmony.
C'mon so many are guys here, some using vulgar language some even threatening a woman with violent acts. I don't blame her for keeping away from here. Again one word for those who can understand – CHIVALRY. You guys belong to the low class white trash equivalent of the 'make me a sandwich b*tch' type.
But then theres people like Ibrahim Ali who being Dato/Satria setting a bad example of title holders being full of kentut racism. So imagine, everytime cybertroopers start spewing or insisting on expired Special Malay Privileges, what it does to the Malay reputation. The Kelantan Royal house has at least mantained the standard by stripping his title. I'd like for the all others who awarded Ibrahim Ali to reduce his stature accordingly.
The rest of you spouting vulgarities and threats here, don't think you will ever be able to participate in polite society without a sense of 'amat' especially when communicating with women, even rude ones who are not of your race.
In Pam's case – I insist she was frightened, compounded with being a victim of apartheid policy and daily disenfranchisement, her reaction was not necessarily inappropriate, as she, like many minority Malaysians who feel aggrieved by what is perceived as a betrayal by the Barisan UMNO dominated government fostered by 2 systems of citizenship, have no avenue to communicate the malaise except opportunities as presented by these 2 real, but half baked, improper SOP cops.
If people are rude or perceived as that, don't be ruder, but at least maintain minimum civil standards by at least not threatening to rape or assault them. You're just spoiling the reputation of your own race. Kudos to the PDRM for excellently diffusing on this matter.
Let us have :
1) Kebebasan dari Apartheid / Fasisme
2) Kebebasan dari Agama-Persecusi/Agama-Supremasi
3) Kesetaraan untuk semua etnik dan system agama dalam semua aspek dasar, Hukum dan Perlembagaan.
;in time to come as well. As discussed ad nauseum, It won't make any immediate difference to us except foster better unity, but it will make a diffrence that UMNO-putras will not have any more means to steal tax monies by as well. That is the attraction of PAS/PKR in Pakatan to the Malays. A sense of principles that BN's Malays obviously lack!
the TONE of voice will uncover the real intimidator which to me is the female driver. this tone is taunting especially when she OBVIOUSLY record at above shoulder level.
Obviously provoking and challenging – body language signals to the policemen
the fact that she SCRIBBLE on the summons paper is a definite sign of disobedience and hindrance to the due process of laws
her taunts in ENGLISH is another telltale sign of her provocation
the fact that she chose to broadcast to all is proff of her intent to ridicule and dilute the police authority
So the female driver is the aggressor not a victim as self-claimed
In my opinion both are wrong to some extend. The police should be more people friendly when confronting traffic offenders compared to criminal offenders. All policemen must understand SOP and need not use unwarranted statement to create a tense situation, it is taught in police training. For the complainant, she should behave well when confronted by police though she have the right to be suspicious. She did not ask for the ID from both the cops but instead gave her driving license and IC, means that she know and believe that they were cops. She claims to know law and her citizen rights but went on to scribble on the summons which she supposed not to have done. By signing she is not admitting guilt but accepting the summons only and she can always defend her case in a court of law later when summoned to appear…In her clip she claimed she has not committed any offense and started to intimidate the cops but ended up admitting guilt and paying up the compound at the station later.
Well, it is not easy to become a cop…
Ex Cop.
aiya
your tone of voice tells it all, why post this video when you can report it to the police.
by broadcating this video you have shown your true intention – which is to ridicule and dilute the police authority
in your mind, you can't trust the MALAYS, right
so don't pretend otherwise
another telling lie is when you use English to INTIMIDATE the Malay policemen
if you are a TRUE Malaysian, you should converse in Bahasa Melayu the official language and polce business is official
you should be PENALISEd heavily for defaming the police.
Kedua-dua pihak bersalah saya rasa.
Kepada Pamela, tiada istilah racism kat sini okeh. Bagi saya kalau Pamela layan baik kepada polis time tu, tak memantul, tak mustahil polis takkan saman dia. Polis mungkin akan beri nasihat kat awak je. Tapi oleh kerana sikap anda yang terlalu egoistik dan mencabar kredibiliti seorang polis telah menyebabkan anda sendiri yang cari masalah. Tapi saya tak pasti time tu ada kat mana, sama ada kat London atau Malaysia sebabnya sibuk nak speaking London. nak bercakap dengan polis pun guna bahasa inggeris. hal ini mungkin untuk memutarbelitkan serta memburukkan keadaan yang sudah tegang. Tak perlu menegakkan benang yang basah. Tolonglah belajar hormat orang lain. Anda perlukan kelas moral lebih banyak lagi. Sombong, bongkak. Nak report polis sebab polis tu rampas IC dengan lesen? How big u r Pamela. Who r u? Now, u r getting famous onwards. Is this to seek for publicity? wanna be an artist rite? with this kind of behaviour, no one will take u as an artist. poor u. now u should move and change ur car. Maybe to a huge bungalow and ferrari u can prefer. because u have ur own RIGHTs rite?
Kepada Encik polis, tak payah kunyah chewing gum time bertugas. Anda perlu lebih tegas dan tak mudah rasa takut kepada orang seperti Pamela ni.