[Updated on 14 October 2010: Through Dato’ Khalid Bin Abu Bakar’s statement on 13 October 2010, the police has responded on Facebook here. Thank you commentator PDRM for bringing it to our attention. We reproduce it in full:
Salam rakan-rakan semua, apa yg kita lihat di dalam video itu, terdapat kekurangan/kesilapan di kedua-dua pihak. Di pihak Polis, anggota tersebut bersikap kurang mesra, dan terdapat kata-kata yang tidak perlu diucapkan langsung. Apa yang perlu diucapkan ketika menahan seseorang yang melakukan kesalahan trafik, adalah mengucapkan salam/selamat pagi/petang, maklumkan apa kesalahan pemandu dan jika dia menerima alasan yg diberikan oleh pemandu, dia boleh menggunakan budi bicaranya untuk melepaskan pemandu dengan amaran atau ingatan dan jika dia tidak menerima alasan pemandu, dia terus mengeluarkan saman dan beredar.
Jika pemandu enggan menerima saman, buat catatan dan terus beredar. Kata-kata atau ucapan lain yang tidak berkenaan tidak perlu.
Di pihak pemandu, di dalam insiden ini pula seolah-olah mencabar dan membuat provokasi kepada anggota polis yang menjalankan tugasnya. Ini juga tidak perlu dilakukan. Tidak salah untuk merakam kejadian yang berlaku tetapi tidak perlu mengeluarkan kata-kata yg mencabar anggota Polis itu. Jika ada perbuatan anggota Polis itu yang tidak menyenangkan pemandu, dia boleh melaporkannya kepada Pegawai Kanan Polis di mana-mana Balai. Pemandu juga boleh hadir ke mahkamah untuk mendengar kes di hadapan Majistret, jika tidak puas hati dengan saman yang dikeluarkan. Saya telah menghubungi Rakan kita yang postkan video ini tetapi malangnya dia tidak dapat memberi saya butir-butir lanjut kejadian ini. Kita akan cuba kesan Anggota polis berkenaan dan dapatkan butiran kejadian. Terima kaseh saya ucapkan di atas pendedahan ini.]
Pamela Lim’s previous video post has attracted a record number of hits on LoyarBurok. She elaborates on her video with an account of what happened before she started filming and why she acted as she did. This was originally written (on 10 October 2010 at 8.47 pm) as a comment response to hundreds of other comments on the original post and is now reproduced for easy reference.
The video can be viewed here.
I was flagged down after turning right at the junction of Federal Highway adjoining Jalan Gasing/Jalan University. When I stopped the car to ask what I was stopped for, the policeman said I committed an offence, for using the mobile phone without hands-free. I maintained that my phone was on the hands-free speaker and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke but they kept saying that I did not use the hands-free. They asked for my IC and driver’s license in which I complied and gave it to them. As they were holding the summons book, they didn’t read out which Act that I had violated when I asked them what the difference was, between using a hands-free kit and the hands-free speaker.
Then they asked me how I would like to settle the matter. Then I asked them, how do you normally settle matters like this. Then they said, if I want to settle it normally, it would be a hassle for me. Then they waited for my response. I told them, I didn’t think that I have committed an offence per se, but if they say that I have, then I am willing to accept the summons as I’m obviously in the wrong by using the phone according to them. I have always used the handsfree kit but that day, I hadn’t plugged it in and my mistake was answering the phone by putting it on hands-free speaker and was flagged down before I could put the phone on my holster. Look at the video again, my phone holster is stuck on the right of my windscreen.
As they insisted that I was wrong, I insisted that they gave me the summons for it. They began to taunt me with words in Malay and if I hadn’t read the RED BOOK by the Bar Council to know what to do when confronted by the police, I would not know what to do or what to expect next.
I asked them for their names and their ID numbers in which they got defensive. Then I thought if they were going to hassle me further, I might as well record their actions on photographs. I photographed them with my phone so that I have evidence of my encounter with them should I want to challenge the summons in court. They began to yell at me for taking pictures, accusing me of “intimidating” them and that I have no rights to take pictures of their uniform as it was government property. When they began to intimidate me with their words, that was when I switched to video mode.
What followed was all recorded for you to see.
I had no idea what they were getting at except that they were trying to intimidate me to submit to their demands. When they handed me the summons to sign, I wrote on it that “I do not accept as I had handsfree,” the police went livid. There is no law that states that you can’t write anything in protest of a summons for an offence that you do not admit to. Signing the summons denotes acceptance of the summons, not the offence. All the time, I had the video on, filming with my left hand. He shouted at me. Questioning what rights do I have, implying that I should have none when dealing with the police.
He kept questioning me WHO I AM. Does it matter who I am? I am an ordinary citizen who has rights. Does it mean that if I were a “somebody” this treatment would have been different? Does it mean that if I was a somebody, I would be let off? Why was the policeman so adamant in asking me who I was? What difference would it make if they had decided already that I had committed an offence? Or would my offence be a non-offence if they had known how my family had been a close source to the family of the late Tun Razak and the father of our independence, Tunku Abdul Rahman?
When they refused to return my IC and license, beckoning and summoning me to follow them back to the station, I refused and stated my rights and that I will report them for they had “stolen” my IC. That’s when they realised I knew the law. If I had committed an offence and obstructed justice, why didn’t they arrest me? They also refused to issue me the summons until they decided that they flouted the law themselves and returned my IC, license together with the summons issued. THEY REFUSED TO HAND ME THE SUMMONS FOR ME TO GO. This probably did not even occur to you because you didn’t watch the video properly.
These policemen abused their power to talk down to a lady, threatened me by withholding my IC and license and yet demanded the respect at the same time: how is that possible? No one is allowed to hold on to your IC, not even security guards at the condo entry points.
All of you who condemned me obviously had never been in a situation like mine, where you were made to feel small and insignificant for refusing to cower under pressure for an offence that I did not consciously commit. Being a female, I would have been subjected to a lot worse if I was intimidated by them to follow them to goodness-knows-where. I was well aware of the fact that they didn’t have their ID numbers on them and had every reason to be suspicious. In a country where I’m viewed in the same light as a “pendatang” (illegal immigrant) and accused of having an ancestry of prostitutes, I ought to be wary of every encounter with anyone who come across to me in such a manner.
It’s interesting to see how many of you distort the topic of intimidation and threats when the police outnumbered me.
For those who think I shouldn’t be a citizen of Malaysia, you ought to know that I am the descendent of Malaya’s first court interpreter, Peter Lim and can trace back four generations in Malaysia. I am a law abiding citizen and a God-fearing person. I have also compounded my summons and paid the fine. I have decided to make this video public not to seek publicity but to educate the public especially women, on their rights when confronted by the police and when to exercise them. What happened to me, can happen to anybody. I have utmost respect for the police force when they arrest criminals, recover kidnapped children, clamp down on high crimes and solve murder mysteries. I never hesitate to cooperate with them whenever necessary but I will not be intimidated when I refuse to give bribes.
Thank you for your time in giving your comments and being so quick to condemn. You ought to read the RED BOOK. I acted within my rights. I was in my confined space. I had every right to defend myself from unruly behaviour. They could have been more courteous. As a tax payer, we are paying their salaries.
she didn't only dig her own grave, but she jumps on it too!
When she post the video, people knows the car plate number, identity card number, her full name, her address, her wrongdoings and so on.
And it was granted by herself, that puts the video for millions to see.
OMG, did she was crazy?
PAM PAM (sigh) dig your own grave.
dear pam,
u wanna knoe smthing..u make the smallest crimes ever..
u wanna how i got escape from beeing summones for didnt follow the trafics lights…
u knoe that i`m breaking the 6 uncompound summones??
the secrets is…
i just talk slowly wif the policeman..give the reason why i do that…
and the police let me go without summones eventhough i didnt say any apology to them..for me no need to apology coz i`m not making any sin with them..
i just break the law…so i`m not intend to say for forgiveness..for me they just do their job…
to all commenter..apology for my broken english…i`m still study…
Bagaimana anda menjadi rakyat Malaysia..bagaimana..sebabnya bahasa melayu tak berapa baik dan sangat la teruk dan anda tak memenuhi kriteria 5 rukun negara, betul tak…ramai orang bagi tau macam nie..
jika saya pemimpin, akan saya perketatkan kewarganegaraan Malaysia ini.
kita hanya minta hormat sahaja pada orang lain. Hormatlah ya kerja polis nie dan juga penjawat awam lain.
Dalam pendidikan moral kita diajar untuk menghormati orang bukan..tidak bermaksud hanya hormat orang tua sahaja.
Dalam agama buddha dan Kristian sendiri beri dedahan kepada kita, hormat dan menghormati la sesama kita.
nopampam, I totally agree with you. See I've always believed that in such a multicultural society as ours, oneness in language is a means (if not the only) by which we can somehow begin to bridge the racial gap. Note here that I am not saying that it is the resolution to all our issues, but we MUST start somewhere. We have been brainwashed by our colonialists fathers by the divide and rule ideology and it prevails until the present.
It is fine that we retain our own religion or culture but even to the extent of our Tamil or Chinese schools? How in the heck are we to achieve 1Malaysia if we have MCA or MIC FIGHTING for division of amongst our children in the first place? We are once again, reenacting the role of our colonialists.
Let me remind us all the reason why the colonialists came here. It was for one reason and one reason only: to plough our land for mineral resources as fast as possible and go back to their land and fuel their industrial revolution. They brought in the Chinese and Indians to increase the workforce. As soon as they were done, they left us all here, in this land we call home, Malaysia.
Other Asean countries, like Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam, we don't find Chongs, Lims or Leees, they have 'indigenized' their names to the country. Bangkok people for example, speak the Thai language and not Chinese. And there is this one race amongst us (which I do not want to mention), wherever they are in the world, they must have a territory or town that they name by their own race. It's called (their origin country) with the prefix – town. So really here, ask yourselves, do you want are we really Malaysians or just here to set up our own little country here?
And here come people like Pamela Lim here, labeling herself as 'CITIZEN JOURNALIST' (or even God's invincible army for that matter if she thinks she is) but can't even speak proper Bahasa Malaysia? And yet, you are ASKING for your rights in the land that you CANNOT speak the mother tongue? Come on, let's get real here ok, things can't possibly change for the better the way SHE does it. Seriously, it cannot and will not ever. We must CHANGE how we approach things.
And for one, we must understand that in any society, the majority's interests are always protected first, no matter what. It's what we call, for the greater good. Human beings are built that way, we just cannot forgo the interest of the majority, for the minority, it works that way in the world. So I do not have to elaborate on matters such as NEP and the like. We have to adapt to the circumstances of our situation.
JFK has once said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'. In the context of our sake, it should be, 'Ask not how your country can change for you, but how you can change for the country'. Like I said, the START is learning our Bahasa Malaysia and all we begin to follow through. We have to start here to bridge this gap.
Again Pam, YOU are wrong. By accepting that fact, instead of giving swimming lessons to people, go to a Bahasa Malaysia lesson or something. For a start. Good day
"He kept questioning me WHO I AM. Does it matter who I am?"
This is a simple question turned into a racist statement. WHo ARE YOU as in you are not the police, the commanding officer, nor the IGP who has the authority to do so – as simple as that. YOU SHOULD NOT have scribbled anything in the summon other than your signature. And when people ask you WHO ARE YOU? you think they are racist. Who cares if your 'family had been a close source to the family of the late Tun Razak and the father of our independence, Tunku Abdul Rahman', it is you who think racist and acted like one, period. Let me put this simply. If you paint my car red and I ask you 'Who are you?' does this mean I'm racist. NO! It's not your car, its mine! But if you want to photograph it, go ahead!
Respect begets respect.This woman sounded so disrespectful. If she really wanted to lodge a report against them for holding her MyKad and driver's license, then just go do it.Why did she wait for them to return it to her? She came across more of a drama queen than anything else!
oohh..and that chinese lady, that speaks with an accent, and….cant even speak our national language decently. if you are a malaysian, and have resided in the country for years and still cant speak BM properly, something is clearly wrong with you.
the thing that strikes me most about the 2 related posts are the comments.
it's very sad that (online) spaces for open expression in malaysia often end up being saturated with sexist and racist remarks. sometimes i wonder if it's because we are not used to being able to voice our opinions, or because anonymity allows us to get away with really destructive speech?
while there may be pros and cons of pamela's action in documenting her altercation with the police and broadcasting it online (transparency, accountability, good conduct, mutual respect etc), comments that rely on condescension, sexism, bigotry and sarcasm to make its point isn't worth the space it occupies.
maybe we all need defend this space we value so much for assembly, expression, information and opinion by being better at arguments. not easy, but i'm willing to try.
in terms of pamela's action – i maintain that there is nothing wrong in documenting a public official in the undertaking of their duty. this is in the effort of transparency and accountability. things which are justified and done in the name of public interest (e.g. protection from crime, safety & security etc), and are using public monies, should be seen by the public. it's okay. and it's also okay to question the assumption of authority.
but when someone does this and puts it in a public space, it then also gets scrutinised by the same public. here, i appreciate pamela openly attaching her name to the post, and not putting it up anonymously in youtube for example. it does take courage to open yourself up to comment and criticism. i am sorry to note that some of the comments became personal attacks and that a number of them relied on sexist and racist rationale to follow through. but there are some comments which carried within them real concerns and reflections on the situation which shouldn't be dismissed because this thread has become rather ugly to plough through.
for example, the importance of respectful communication between people who have access to different kinds of power and privilege. this includes power of the anonymous mass to make unaccountable speech to a named individual. or power of an english language speaker over a malay language speaker in some contexts, and the other way around in others. or the power of sexist and racist speech to hurt and destroy the dignity of another person.
i think this will be the lesson i will carry with me from this thread. thanks to all.
Wammel,
Please tell this Pam not to represent Malaysia ever again. I certainly don't want her to represent me :)
Oh pammy, you remind me of my f*ck buddy a couple of years ago. A real "miss-know-it-all". She just couldn't shut up even if she tried. There was really only one way to keep her quiet and yes, she was a guzzler!
But on to your video, seriously, you could've been a little less "dramatic" with the pigs in blue.
And face it, YOU WERE IN THE WRONG! No point writing a musical about it. The fact is, you had the phone in your hand when they caught you, tough luck-YOU WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE WHILE DRIVING. So stop trying to butter it up with youtube clips and what not. Take it like the tart you are and show some skin for pete's sake! Or better still, go get yourself laid woman! ;)
Peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iFa8hxAa0A
what international meetings is she qualified to attend wammel? all that I can see is comments of how rudely she tresspassed into peoples house at midnight and catch dogs!
Kita satu bangsa, Kita satu Negara
Kita satu matlamat, oooo~~~~
Kita satu bangsa, satu Negara
Kita satu Malaysia~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iFa8hxAa0A
Thanx for sharing and showing off ur stupidity with us pam! the policeman was just doing their job. Don't think u're smart just bcoz u can speak english etc. Even if you bring ur award winning vdeo here just to prove that you're innocent… well think again… just look at what you've done in the video, scribble the summon book?? what were you thinking??
it's good to know that u've paid the summon, (if you really did paid it la) but never disrespect a policeman who's just doing their job… yes it's true sometimes there are few policeman "carik duit makan" but from what i see here is, those policeman really doing their job…they acted like that coz they're pissed off with ur annoying attitude…hey.. they're human too ya know… they too have feelings like you.. so "lu pikir lah sndiri"
@wammel,i did not spit any venom,it is Pam who twist stories like a cobra snake..she might appear to be a brave snake to you but you fail to realise that Pam has a brain size as tiny as those only found on mosquitos…
The police asked you who you were, you said. What he really said was, 'Who do you think you are, writing on the summons book?'. If I must explain that further, what he really meant was, who gave you the rights to scribble your own sentences on it. He wasn't asking about your background, connections or whatever it is. Your level of Bahasa is terrible, so perhaps you have misconstrued what he meant.
'I'm very scared now, I'm very scared now' You were clearly not scared at all. It sounded more like you were taunting and was just aggravating the whole situation.
Pam, you are definitely in the wrong here.
James, do you really think that somebody like "nopampam" will cease to spit venom because Pamela would write something here? Somebody who invented a new username just for that purpose, to spit venom?
I happen to have known Pamela personally, first on an international meeting where she alone represented Malaysia (and not Malaysian Malay, or Malaysian Chinese, or Malaysian Indian, or Malaysian Orang Asli, or Malaysian immigrants, or fourth generation residents of the Malaysian territory as specified in your constitution), and she did it well, meaning that she inspired respect for her country and people.
I have met her later again, in the virtual world of internet, in other international venues where she both showed respect for her Malaysian colleagues of all origins, and earned their respect and acknowledgement, and last in Malaysia itself where again I could notice that she values people by their attitude, honesty, and other human values, not by any external attributes such as language, "race" (whatever that is), wealth, appearance etc. The Malay people I know, esteem, and wish to meet again, I met through her.
I also learnt that she prefers to work for the good of people rather than spending useless time in "defending" herself (against people who don't even want to argue rationally? Why should she?). And I know that she does spend so much time for useful (and noble) things that she cannot waste it in useless "fightings against wind mills" (here I am referring to the in Europe famous tale of Don Quixote, by Miguel de Cervantes – translate it as "fighting against the unreal" as many comments I have read between this site and Youtube are out of this world, if you consider this world to be civilized).
By the way, why do you think I haven't read the PDRM comment? It is true, I am not Malaysian (not even of Asian origin), and therefore don't understand any Bahasa Malaysia, but I have used "Google Translate" to get a rough idea (the best Google can give) of that comment. But I knew already before, and wrote it in my previous comment, that it is known a posteriori that the two guys were from some police force – there were however enough reasons to suspect the contrary during the encounter itself (you may not have read carefully enough my comment, or otherwise my English – which is not my mothertongue – was not clear enough).
Please take my apologies if I was not able to convey properly what I want to explain – but please try also to read carefully (not just my utterings but foremostly Pamela's points), and to retrieve the intended message.
perempuan ni patut kita rogol ramai ramai, lepas tu bakar sampai jadi abu, then kita buang kat sungai banting…
Jom kawan2…
Pomelo, I really truly hope you wont ever need them now :)) Its a shame, born here, live here all your life and cant speak bahasa properly.Speak, slang, bantai all the phony english accent you want to intimidate the polis officer but its clear you still lack finesse and really need to get an education on how to be polite.
police officer was right when he called her crazy…!
pamela is a loyar buruk
this bitch so arrogant…
if you don't like Malaysia why don't you move to other countries? We live in peace here but just because of you, it can turn chaos.
pam will never learn to be polite because she has a brain smaller than those of a mosquito..
and i don't think you read about the PDRM section by Ketua Polis Negeri Selangor had to comment about the vid of policeintimidation. he said tht both parties are at fault. but those police officers arent fake. read about tht section, don't spend your time alot here. pam wouldnt be able to respond. i hope she's settled evrythng and evrythng is clear now.
hello there wammel.
You're still don't get it what zoey had to say there. he/she said just pay the summon, just to say tht if pam have paid the summon, she should shared with us about the report or whatnots. People wanted her to respond, so that we knw she is already settled the summon. but she still keep herself in silence. If she still keep herself in that away, people won't be keeping their mouth shut. and everyone is being sucha smart alec here, with giving all the informations about laws, and non-stop criticizing Pam. im sure she's very very in her saddest moment now. just pay the summon, and update about the report. tell us that youre settle everything, so tht this thing wont go any longer. nationwide is talking abt her now. its really really pityfull to see a chinese woman being bombard by people tht against her, i think she knows tht by putting up the vid on youtube would be great idea for her so tht ppl would support but majority are against her. she should be aware about tht by now. but to me yes, i think the way she treated those officers are totally full of rudeness just because tht theyre not good in english, and can't understand wht is she writing in english. and its not fair fr them, because i dont think they knw about Pam putting a vid so called policeintimidation, because they DONT even knw what intimidate means.
Zoey, please understand that it is not about paying or not the summons: I understood that Pamela had received and paid the summons later, and in any case she always expressed that she will pay any rightful summons. It is about how a person, even more if female and travelling alone, can protect herself against being harassed by people pretending to be police but behaving like they were fake: not identifying themselves, not acting professionally, insinuating that there would be more than one way to settle things, pretending she must follow them, even without having proper documentation with her (since they declined, against law, to hand it back), without telling her where, without informing her about her rights, and without themselves having the right to demand it from her. Now it is clear that those two guys had been of some police force (otherwise Pamela would not have been able to properly receive and pay the summons) but there was no way in that moment to be sure about that. Indeed a lot of people have written negative, vulgar, racist, and intimidating comments. That shows only that a lot of people are vulgar, racist, violent, uneducated, not able to read or to understand what they are reading, and they do not know what is the law, what is right, and what is just. Please understand the message Pamela is trying to convey: protect yourself against abuse, don't give in to bribery or extortion, learn about your rights (the "red book" mentioned above, downloadable at http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/index.php?option=c… was launched in 2006 by then de facto Law Minister Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz), and apply what you learn.
dear Pamela,
Majorities are all against you. Deal with the summon you received and pay it. End of the story. Don't make things worse than ever. i would say tht it's worth to pay the summon than to read all the comments with all the vulgarity content. think about it Pam, you must be in stress to knw tht ppl are against you. the main point here is, JUST PAY THE SUMMON.
http://tinyurl.com/25zaunh
The Royal Malaysia Police Force is famous internationally.
Even foreigners know you can 'settle' your offence on the spot.
Why get so worked up about it?
What is new in this country?
What's the point of turning on your speaker while you are still holding your phone with only one hand left to steer.
your statement of :
"I maintained that my phone was on the hands-free speaker and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke but they kept saying that I did not use the hands-free."
Pam's action through out the video doesn't reflect any respect to the law, even "thinks" she knows the law. The action by posting the video had shown how ignorant she is.
If she have realize her mistakes, she would just pay the fine after the incident and keep the video for her good old memories, not posting on the WWW for the whole world to back fire the incident on her.
It is quite a disgrace that PAM unable or unwilling to converse in BM with the Officers, especially at her age BM is a language any Malaysian would easily converse.
The police are trained mentally and physically to wipe out notorious criminals including to sacrifice their lives to protect the citizens. Who is this `bitch` to them, which has toothless to bite?
pam will never understand because she has a brain size of a mosquito..
Hi Pam,
Thank you for sharing your encounter with all of us. We understand and support your stand against unfair and aggresive cops and esp those out to take bribes.
From the video the policemen did not behave too agressively and we must all abide by the law.
Maybe not a good idea to scribble on the summon-you can challenge it in court. Great majority of our magistrates are fair
even though our Judiciary have been damaged by Fake Malay Racist Mamak Mahathir when he framed Anwar Ibrahim and tainted the judiciary.
As a Malaysian Chinese ,I am proud of our National Language and I think the policemen will appreciate that too if we speak to them in the language they are well verse with.
We should all communicate in our national language too as it will help to bridge relationship and promote understanding. If you cant speak bahasa then its understandnable but we must all try to help bring about a better and polite society.
Take care Pam and salam to all.
Oh, I forgot to mention! I'm Chinese, too! And I don't pay bribes :) I tell them politely that it was my mistake and I will accept the summons. Yes, they will question a few more time on how I would like to settle this, and I will repeat POLITELY that I will take the summons. You were outnumbered two to one. I've had FOUR to me, one. And I don't have a problem, because I admit it was my mistake.
No racism involved, okay? But Pamela, trying to avoid bribery is good. But you could've had the decency to speak politely to them. How they want to settle matters, that's their problem. If you insist on the summons, they will give it to you. But obviously you would have to be POLITE. Main issue here. You were in the wrong, hands down. Why? Because they said hands-FREE. There is a reason to why it is called hands-FREE because you don't hold the phone! Seeing as you speak such fluent English, I'm surprised you're trying to cover up and insist you were not in the wrong when you clearly were.
I have been stopped countless times at road blocks and such. Maintaining a good attitude will never go wrong. The policemen are absolutely polite when I get stopped. And fyi, I'm female, too.
It's only natural for them to be defensive when you speak to them in such a manner. You should remember that they are human, after all. Like you, who was 'insulted'/'humiliated'/'upset'/'intimidated' by what happened, have you thought about their feelings? How you spoke to them? Why don't you quit what you're doing now and go be a police officer? Their job isn't as easy as you think it is.
pam has a brain of a mosquito..go back to school..
To belonging name Pam
Pam pam is f.shit, should,nt put a small matter in this forum, supposed she not to be rudeness to the policeman, must follow the rule even she act like an innocent but not, no more talk like rubbish in the car..who she think she is?? lf she not comfortable with staying here in Malaysia, she has to be throwing out into Chinese country be a Chinese citizen there, no more come here again.
SHE'S KIND OF RUDENESS MORE STUPIDITY
Dear Pam,
This is just an excuse for you to ignite racial hatred in this country..from the video it clearly shows that u are trying to act like you are innocent but the fact was u are not.
Wrong is wrong and just accept the fact that u are being summoned.The police traffic acted like that because you started it first. Seriously you make me laugh because of your stupidity.
And the best joke is that u were trying to say its a racial issue? For god sake..please and please stop being stupid..any races in the same condition as your will also 'kena' by the particular police if behave stupid like you.
So my point is…stop being stupid and dumb ass..accept the fact that u got summoned and just walk away..there's no need to fight and ignite some racial issue thingy here..
oii amoii kalau lu orang malaysia , cakap bahasa malaysia la ..lu tau ka apa itu bahasa malaysia ..huhuhu bolo punya olang
Bottom line I think, she's just trying to instigate things. Making a whole big fuss in hope that the whole world will watch it and declare Malaysia as some sort of a rogue state, investors and tourists flee. But looking at it, they would more likely laugh the whole episode off.
Pamela, just give off your title as God's invisible army, you're just ruining things, that's what you're doing. I am so ashamed we have such Malaysians crawling in this land of ours.
The core issue here is, when you're stopped by police officers for allegedly committing an offence or two, yes you have every right to question their reasons for stopping you & to answer or to give excuses for the infractions committed, coz I do that all the times when dealing with cops in such situation. I do apologize whenever offences have obviously been committed, & I beg them in a polite way in order not to get tickets for that. I'm not scared of them, but I don't want to waste my money paying fines & summonses.
In Pam's case, she has rights to ask & answer questions, but it's just not right to record & to speak the way she did when dealing with those young officers. If she's confident that she didn't commit any offence, well she could've talked or negotiated with the officers in a more mild-manner. Maybe she could've escaped from being fined should she deal with them politely. Recording one's acts seems very unusual in Malaysia, although there's no clear provision prohibiting you from doing that. Here she's dealing with young & inexperienced police officers, so the way they handled this situation seemed quite unprofessional, but yet understandable considering the nature of their duties that would somehow give a lot of tense, especially dealing with persons who think they know too much about everything.
Things should've been different if she avoided filming these guys whilst doing their jobs, avoided writing unnecessarily on their book, avoided acting like she knows everything & avoided speaking impolitely with those officers. I do believe that the outcome would've been different if she avoided the abovementioned acts, don't you think?
Anyway, to apologize will not hurt your pride if that could save you from wasting hundreds of ringgit.
Pamela, looking at how YOU yourself behaved in the situation, you are no better than the policemen that you have alleged to have intimidated you. You should have been in a more dignified, respectful manner, approach it as a learned intellectual. If you were a man, I think you could have been a rich Ah Long. Well, this all leading to the suspicion of your credibility altogether. Whatever happened before the film, we just do not know.
And please, do buckle up on your Bahasa Malaysia, it's atrocious. Sounds like as if you're an illegal immigrant.
This PAM said she had read the red book, but nothing said about police cannot take your IC there.
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but not saying illegal about police canot hold IC. This is the concept that you bring, that is "POLICE CANNOT HOLD IC".
If many PAM out there and police is doing their work, take it. Wrong is wrong, but if the police says you are wrong but you insists, if you got TASER-ed, then dont cry for forgiveness. If the police wrong for being rude, but you PAM are very wrong when you scribble the book.
Maybe that police is not professional but, when you act, i lost my sympathy. Human rights is needed but, when you are caught on your mistakes that could endanger other people. Law is there.
Your wrongdoing could not simply be erased for something that you said, "POLICE IS UNPROFESSIONAL." Police may not take that as excuse, as police also need to do his job.
Whatever you may say, what is wrong, is wrong.
Your thoughts is not applied but your acts show people your rudeness. Be a police, and be a traffic police. And then, you should know when you are fucked when you see a lot of you out there.
Pamela mengaku kesalahannya dan telah membayar denda saman tersebut. Apa hendak dibincangkan lagi? Buang yang keruh ambillah yang jernih. Kita ini manusia biasa dan tak lari daripada membuat kesilapan. Faham tak?
Kita ini semuanya anak Adam yang menetap di Malaysia, negara yang kita cintai. PEACE TO ALL OF YOU!
head hunter,
you have just made me laugh about yr story there. hello we here at kl are not the same as Sarawak. KL citizens are ARROGANT. yes i admit tht. bcse i am just arrogant as pamela, but ive never been arrogant to police officer just my own good. this pamela here, she's just wanna be smart. thts all. untill she has just dig her own grave. srry to say tht pamela, but its the truth. youre just making all of this gone worse.
hello fellow head hunter, you talk abt yr granftaher story here fr wht? its nt like pamela even knw about you. we're talking abt her, and we are still waiting for he to respond.
you know what i'm curious about? why i never see a comment from pamela herself? come on la woman, show yrself and fight fr yr rights. im seriously wanna see you reply our comments here? if you keep yourself silence, ppl wont ever shut their mouth talking abt you. dont be scared la amoi, we are citizens like you too. we're not a police, so wht are you afraid of? seriously pamela, show yrself. you took them in vid, but you never tape yrself.
head hunter, r u high? we r talking about pamela n her experience la.. pls concentrate a bit…
Police traffic in msia sure is getting worst by each days, even in my place (sarawak) we also facing the same problem, mostly from police traffic officer from semenanjung msia are rude when they r working, i once was yelled at after being flagged down by the unit peronda (proton waja)…. wtf? after they have my ic & license they even say “i tought u r chinese fella?” although im malay but look like a chinese fella it doesnt mean he can yelled at anyone though! i still remembered the face, the name of da person” but i dont have any evidence of the fella yelling at me, so next time i’ll be recording if ever being flagged down, who know we can use it as evidence in da court. hehe. I’m pondering when will goverment of msia will using video cam in their unit peronda juz like in the u.s? sure no more kes duit kopi or rasuah will occur rite? but then again malaysia mmg boleh…. btw the police in other countries r more polite than ours in msia, maybe only good candidate with proper education qualification r being accepted in their force, but here in msia we do it the other way around kot hehe.
wanna see a profesional police in action? this is an example for our police force in msia especially the unit peronda to learn from, i’d reckon the IGP to copy this vid & send it to any peronda unit in the country for an example of a profesional way to work!… so dat they learn something hopefully…..
watch the vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq_RvJ7CtOw
after u've watch da youtube above & u compare da vid of our local police force with pam…. i'd say police msia are way way too rude…. no offence to other haters in da blog yea haha