[Updated on 14 October 2010: Through Dato’ Khalid Bin Abu Bakar’s statement on 13 October 2010, the police has responded on Facebook here. Thank you commentator PDRM for bringing it to our attention. We reproduce it in full:
Salam rakan-rakan semua, apa yg kita lihat di dalam video itu, terdapat kekurangan/kesilapan di kedua-dua pihak. Di pihak Polis, anggota tersebut bersikap kurang mesra, dan terdapat kata-kata yang tidak perlu diucapkan langsung. Apa yang perlu diucapkan ketika menahan seseorang yang melakukan kesalahan trafik, adalah mengucapkan salam/selamat pagi/petang, maklumkan apa kesalahan pemandu dan jika dia menerima alasan yg diberikan oleh pemandu, dia boleh menggunakan budi bicaranya untuk melepaskan pemandu dengan amaran atau ingatan dan jika dia tidak menerima alasan pemandu, dia terus mengeluarkan saman dan beredar.
Jika pemandu enggan menerima saman, buat catatan dan terus beredar. Kata-kata atau ucapan lain yang tidak berkenaan tidak perlu.
Di pihak pemandu, di dalam insiden ini pula seolah-olah mencabar dan membuat provokasi kepada anggota polis yang menjalankan tugasnya. Ini juga tidak perlu dilakukan. Tidak salah untuk merakam kejadian yang berlaku tetapi tidak perlu mengeluarkan kata-kata yg mencabar anggota Polis itu. Jika ada perbuatan anggota Polis itu yang tidak menyenangkan pemandu, dia boleh melaporkannya kepada Pegawai Kanan Polis di mana-mana Balai. Pemandu juga boleh hadir ke mahkamah untuk mendengar kes di hadapan Majistret, jika tidak puas hati dengan saman yang dikeluarkan. Saya telah menghubungi Rakan kita yang postkan video ini tetapi malangnya dia tidak dapat memberi saya butir-butir lanjut kejadian ini. Kita akan cuba kesan Anggota polis berkenaan dan dapatkan butiran kejadian. Terima kaseh saya ucapkan di atas pendedahan ini.]
Pamela Lim’s previous video post has attracted a record number of hits on LoyarBurok. She elaborates on her video with an account of what happened before she started filming and why she acted as she did. This was originally written (on 10 October 2010 at 8.47 pm) as a comment response to hundreds of other comments on the original post and is now reproduced for easy reference.
The video can be viewed here.
I was flagged down after turning right at the junction of Federal Highway adjoining Jalan Gasing/Jalan University. When I stopped the car to ask what I was stopped for, the policeman said I committed an offence, for using the mobile phone without hands-free. I maintained that my phone was on the hands-free speaker and I was holding the phone at a distance as I spoke but they kept saying that I did not use the hands-free. They asked for my IC and driver’s license in which I complied and gave it to them. As they were holding the summons book, they didn’t read out which Act that I had violated when I asked them what the difference was, between using a hands-free kit and the hands-free speaker.
Then they asked me how I would like to settle the matter. Then I asked them, how do you normally settle matters like this. Then they said, if I want to settle it normally, it would be a hassle for me. Then they waited for my response. I told them, I didn’t think that I have committed an offence per se, but if they say that I have, then I am willing to accept the summons as I’m obviously in the wrong by using the phone according to them. I have always used the handsfree kit but that day, I hadn’t plugged it in and my mistake was answering the phone by putting it on hands-free speaker and was flagged down before I could put the phone on my holster. Look at the video again, my phone holster is stuck on the right of my windscreen.
As they insisted that I was wrong, I insisted that they gave me the summons for it. They began to taunt me with words in Malay and if I hadn’t read the RED BOOK by the Bar Council to know what to do when confronted by the police, I would not know what to do or what to expect next.
I asked them for their names and their ID numbers in which they got defensive. Then I thought if they were going to hassle me further, I might as well record their actions on photographs. I photographed them with my phone so that I have evidence of my encounter with them should I want to challenge the summons in court. They began to yell at me for taking pictures, accusing me of “intimidating” them and that I have no rights to take pictures of their uniform as it was government property. When they began to intimidate me with their words, that was when I switched to video mode.
What followed was all recorded for you to see.
I had no idea what they were getting at except that they were trying to intimidate me to submit to their demands. When they handed me the summons to sign, I wrote on it that “I do not accept as I had handsfree,” the police went livid. There is no law that states that you can’t write anything in protest of a summons for an offence that you do not admit to. Signing the summons denotes acceptance of the summons, not the offence. All the time, I had the video on, filming with my left hand. He shouted at me. Questioning what rights do I have, implying that I should have none when dealing with the police.
He kept questioning me WHO I AM. Does it matter who I am? I am an ordinary citizen who has rights. Does it mean that if I were a “somebody” this treatment would have been different? Does it mean that if I was a somebody, I would be let off? Why was the policeman so adamant in asking me who I was? What difference would it make if they had decided already that I had committed an offence? Or would my offence be a non-offence if they had known how my family had been a close source to the family of the late Tun Razak and the father of our independence, Tunku Abdul Rahman?
When they refused to return my IC and license, beckoning and summoning me to follow them back to the station, I refused and stated my rights and that I will report them for they had “stolen” my IC. That’s when they realised I knew the law. If I had committed an offence and obstructed justice, why didn’t they arrest me? They also refused to issue me the summons until they decided that they flouted the law themselves and returned my IC, license together with the summons issued. THEY REFUSED TO HAND ME THE SUMMONS FOR ME TO GO. This probably did not even occur to you because you didn’t watch the video properly.
These policemen abused their power to talk down to a lady, threatened me by withholding my IC and license and yet demanded the respect at the same time: how is that possible? No one is allowed to hold on to your IC, not even security guards at the condo entry points.
All of you who condemned me obviously had never been in a situation like mine, where you were made to feel small and insignificant for refusing to cower under pressure for an offence that I did not consciously commit. Being a female, I would have been subjected to a lot worse if I was intimidated by them to follow them to goodness-knows-where. I was well aware of the fact that they didn’t have their ID numbers on them and had every reason to be suspicious. In a country where I’m viewed in the same light as a “pendatang” (illegal immigrant) and accused of having an ancestry of prostitutes, I ought to be wary of every encounter with anyone who come across to me in such a manner.
It’s interesting to see how many of you distort the topic of intimidation and threats when the police outnumbered me.
For those who think I shouldn’t be a citizen of Malaysia, you ought to know that I am the descendent of Malaya’s first court interpreter, Peter Lim and can trace back four generations in Malaysia. I am a law abiding citizen and a God-fearing person. I have also compounded my summons and paid the fine. I have decided to make this video public not to seek publicity but to educate the public especially women, on their rights when confronted by the police and when to exercise them. What happened to me, can happen to anybody. I have utmost respect for the police force when they arrest criminals, recover kidnapped children, clamp down on high crimes and solve murder mysteries. I never hesitate to cooperate with them whenever necessary but I will not be intimidated when I refuse to give bribes.
Thank you for your time in giving your comments and being so quick to condemn. You ought to read the RED BOOK. I acted within my rights. I was in my confined space. I had every right to defend myself from unruly behaviour. They could have been more courteous. As a tax payer, we are paying their salaries.
Ok I read this whole thing… seems to me now …
both re-acted to the situation wrongly sigh..what a way to go !
Oit people, drop it allready la. This is so yesterdays news.
Miss Pamela Lim, have you considered signing Oprah Winfrey's No Phone Zone Pledge?
she's a racist. don't waste your time over shit like this. useless
Bloody chinese fucker idiot
And I fail to see how HOLDING the phone with your hand is considered HANDS-free?
The emperor is in the midst of toppling the governments of the world and so cannot be spending much time here. OH he is also here. Pumpkins, please do away with all your petty disagreements with him. This fine citizen will become the emperors general one day and reistitute ISA on a global scale. This is Emperors Qin decree upon all his subjetcs
@PummKinomiS,
Take a deep breath and calm down. It's clear from your writing, that you have allowed your emotions to cloud your judgment.
The reason that I stressed on the Authority Card, is all come down to legitimacy. That is a concept that is not shown here by the many people whom had commented.
Now, on hindsight, we all know that those two policemen are real policemen. But at the spur of the moment, Pamela have legitimate reason to doubt their status. The failure of the two policemen in producing their authority card have rendered their subsequent action illegitimate. That's my contention. Because from the authority card, you'd get not only their names but also their ID number, which could trace to them personally. Because by showing their authority card for Pamela to jot down their ID number, they would have properly identified themselves according to international standard for law enforcement.
That doesn't mean that I think Pamela's behavior is acceptable. I just think that the behavior of the two police men is more unacceptable because they are the law enforcement officer. They have failed to properly identify themselves while discharging their duty.
Yes, indeed if the police have correctly and properly identified themselves and Pamela is still adopting the type of attitudes as shown in the video, making it difficult for the police to discharge their duty, they do have the power by law to arrest her for obstructing police men from carrying out their duties (Police Act 344 Clause 24(3)). It has nothing to do with Pamela's gender but more so to her attitudes and actions. Worse still, the two policemen would have in their possession the evidence of Pamela's uncooperative attitudes in the form of her own video. But the two policemen failed to identify themselves properly.
Those two will pay for their impotence, errr, I mean incompetence. The emperor will turn those cops into corpses, rest assured they will be declared as enemies of the state and beheaded. Once his highness extablishes his global governance that is. This is emperor's Qin decree.
Well, good to know the thread is somehow, astoundingly, still going on.
@ PummkinomiS
Yeah, it sucks being you right now, Pam.
And to all you other nits whamming Pam, GET A LIFE, you creeps.
hi @IsayNo2ISA,
You said:
"If they have shown their ID numbers and have produced their authority cards, then I would be lamenting at Pamela for her uncooperative and *BITCHY* behavior."
"Which is a much bigger menace to the society compared to Pamela’s *BITCHY* behavior that you have chosen to focus on."
"Which one is a bigger issue again? Between Police men misbehaving and a Woman *BITCHING*, please enlighten me here."
"It seems that in your position a woman *BITCHING* is a bigger issue here."
"Because you are looking at the bigger picture of a woman *BITCHING* and I am only peeping through a small hole of police not conducting themselves in a professional manner."
"I do not like her attitude myself, but I loathed more the unprofessional conducts of the two policemen because they posed a greater danger to the society compared to Pamela’s *BITCHY* behavior."
I agree with you that the policemen were unprofessional. But Pamela doesn't need mental midgets like you *so called* defending her actions but at the same time incessantly *BITCHING* about her behaviour (intentionally or subconciously). You sound worse than her detractors. Go fly kite, you MCP.
You said:
"If they had shown their authority cards and Pamela was still behaving the way she was behaving then I will advocate for her arrest for obstruction of police duty and let her stay in the lockup for a few nights."
Seriously? You would advocate that? How staggeringly immature of you, Mister "Here are links to police raping womenfolk but I *jive* to jailing bitchy womenfolk multiple nights as long as police produce their authority cards".
Well, here's a *NEWSFLASH*, moron. Do you seriously think for a single moment that Pamela, or even the anti-ISA movement will benefit one iota from your vulgar criticisms and self-contradicting hypocrisies?
No doubt you have heard of the phrase "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Well congratulations, you have succeeded in having it recoined to "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that DUMB MEN LIKE YOURSELF say something", you nit.
" I have said my piece in it’s simplest form " Yes and it is too simple and made in absentia of considerations for the citizen ans the spirit of the law..
hi @Siew Sin,
You said :
" Aggravating them is the last thing I would wanna do for the very simple reason i can see his gun in his holster. "
Still emboldening them via the violence or superior weaponry paradigm? That very simple reason will not be propagated as such. None of us want to die to prove the below principle otherwise *BUT* the principle of the matter is that the police must not think that 'MIGHT MAKES RIGHT' as you suggest (possibly intentionally via Neuro-Linguistic-Programming or at least subconsciously) via the above statement.
Only the spirit of the law, not even the letter of the law, much less a weapon makes MIGHT. These are civilisational values to promulgate NOT " . . . the very simple reason i can see his gun in his holster. . . . ". You guys think or want others to think in a manner that is ***SO 3RD WORLD***!!!
@IsayNo2ISA
errr nooo…. i do not think you understood me at all.
your insistence on proper behaviour from the men in uniform is of course commendable … heck we ALL insist that they MUST behave professionally at all times.
But 'how' do we carry out our demands for professionalism?
We can complain to our local MP/ADUN, we can write to blogs/newspapers, we can form an action group but we surely cannot thrash it out with the patrolmen on the streets!!
There is always a time and place for everything. Arguing with a patrolman is surely not the time and place merely for the very simple reason that he has got a GUN! You flash your video-cam and if he flashes his GUN, i ask you – is the argument worth it?
When stopped by police, we can:
(1) refuse to offer bribes
(2) invoke a reasonable response by asking very professionally what is your offence and calming down the men in blue if he is screaming his face blue
(3) insist on being given the summons and then argue in COURT as to your guilt or innocence
(4) all of the above.
Aggravating them is the last thing I would wanna do for the very simple reason i can see his gun in his holster.
Most times when i am stopped by the police, i remain silent – never once had i been shouted at and many a time i am let off cos they are tired of waiting for some sort of action from me, whether or not i have committed an offence. They hold on to my licence, i don't say anything, no sorry, no bagi chance… zilch, zippo, nothing …. i timed it before, 10 minutes max – they will either send you off with a warning or they actually hand out the summons.
And of course I expect Pamela to behave better – merely for the fact that she is a woman alone in a car having a face-off with 2 men who are armed with guns! She has to be street-smart and get ready to RUN/SPEED OFF if at anytime she suspects her safety is jeopardised. Instead, she argues with the guys in that tone of voice of hers, she whips out the video right into the guys' faces…. respectfully, i really don't wanna state what I myself would have done to her at that time! with that video-cam!
And to compound her atrocious behaviour, she comes up with an article ranting about race and pedigree – if that is not arrogance and ***hole behaviour, i dunno what is!
But i shall be magnanimous and attribute her actions as having a bad-hair day… and by the same token, she was really lucky those 2 men did not have a badder-hair day.
Well, if we must learn something from this video-episode, perhaps it is that we should always whip out our video-cam with the brightest smile and tell the police 'heh, wanna have 2 minutes of fame and be on youtube?" Maybe can get the 'most professional' policeman award from the number of hits :))))
I have said my piece in it's simplest form and will not comment on this thread anymore.
ciao!
@dbvfg,
How bad Pamela is will not have any effect on me. Because that is her personal problem. Her's being difficult with the police is her issue. But an unprofessional police force would affect us all. Surely, a person as intelligent as you should be able to see that. Unless, I'm giving you too much credit.
@IsayNo2ISA
i support teo siew chin.
From what you think, Pamela is smart.
So, you are saying Pam can be a bad ass because police didnt act professional?
So, if you are thinking police is corrupted, fine. be a police to talk about police ass.
Be a police that not talking about ass only.
@teo siew chin,
I hear you, loud and clear. You continue to expect a higher standard of behavior from Pamela, whereas IMO, the police is the one that should be expected to behave professionally. You refuse to lower your expectation of Pamela's behavior but it is clear that you don't expect much at all from our police force.
For you that the two police men in the video behave just fine.
In your opinion, Pamela should be smarter. But you don't expect that the police men should be more professional. Because to you, that is just Malaysian Police. Unruly, corrupted, and hopeless. So, instead you harps on Pamela.
In contrast, I don't see it that way at all. I see that the police can and should improve. I see that they can do many and much more good if they become more professional.
But I see it. You give up. So, Pamela better smart up. Else don't blame anyone if she got shot in her face. This practically summed up your position.
@bloodyidiot,
That's more like it. Show your true color. State your real position correctly, so that everyone can see… what a bloodyidiot you are. Good job… for being a bloodyidiot.
eh…how did you guess i'm a woman? not bad for a bloody A-hole. Of course I'm ball-less. Better than big balls,no brains anytime.
again writing to show stupidity(intelligence?you wouldn't even recognise it if it was pasted on your face). Another bloody A-hole(ah..another haemmorhoid.The others are perfect A-holes). what reverse argument? Where in my writing did i imply that i'm the only one of anything? Just pointing out a simple fact. What they think of the cops are reflected in what they write about them. What they say about Pam is a separate issue. Did they say what they said about the cops. yes. do they mean what they say? Or are you saying that they don't? The final question is after all: Was the cop behaviour acceptable? They seem to think not too, but would rather spend the time Pam bashing> So why bother to write all the crap if everyone is in agreement that the cops were wrong? Just spend your time arguing about Pam and get the cop argument out of the way.
@IsayNo2ISA
“…demanding for a professional police conduct here…”
(and the way to demand for professional conduct is to whip out the video-cam ? do you realise if the other party is a ‘fake’ there is no stopping him from whipping out his gun and blowing your face off?)
“…we should expect a higher standard of police behavior…”
(which we most definitely should, but is whipping out the video-cam in the face of the policeman with a gun the correct way to express our expectations?)
“…holding her to a higher standard of behavior…”
(we ourselves should indeed be better behaved before being entitled to expect the other party to be so!)
“…instead siding with the corrupted …”
(good grief, there is no logic to how you arrived at that conclusion!! Nobody here is siding with the corrupted. Everybody know many of the force who plow the roads are not exactly clean – we do not need a video to ‘educate’ us on that thanks, but we most certainly do not want to read of a woman with her face blown off becos she pissed off fake cops!)
On the ASSUMPTION the police on the video were fishing for a bribe, do you really think the woman was ‘brave’ to whip out the phone to ‘record’ the incident? Do you really think those 2 men are really that dumb to allow her to video them either (1) shouting and spitting at her or (2) asking for a bribe?
SERIOUSLY???
IsayNo2ISA – in the event YOU are stopped by the police, please show us YOUR video.
@bloodyidiot,
You are not only a bloodyidiot as you called yourself. But a coward. You think you are the only one to know how to use reverse logic arguments? I know it too but I would never go so low in using it. I am not a ball-less scumbag that could not make my point intelligently like you, a bloodyidiot.
AR, about the cops..i'm just pointing out what u said. dont try to wrangle out of it.
about pam, you got a right to your opinion. and me ,mine
name calling? where? now there's an a-hole who cant read. unless he thinks(must be for some good reason) that bloody idiot is about him. (ah..finally name calling. stupidity finally got to me.)
@bloodyidiot,
You are truly the moniker you have chosen for yourself. You can't argue things logically so you resorted to name calling people who is taking a different stance from you. Worse of all, you are such a coward that (due to your fear of people shooting down your argument) you resorted to reverse logic argument. A bloodyidiot indeed.
@AR,
My gosh, so this is your grander worldview. Did you even read back your own comments? Do you realized that what you are essentially saying is to just accept that our police force is incompetent, unprofessional, and corrupted. So we better smart up and protect ourselves. This is the message that you are propagating here! Go read your own comment! You are advocating that well, our policemen are uniform thugs, there's nothing we could do about it so, might as well live and let live.
@teo siew chin
Please refer to above, and read it 3 times more. Because it seems that you can't grasp the idea of demanding for a professional police conduct here. You have the same notion and advocating exactly the same thing as AR. Which, don't get me wrong, I didn't say that it's wrong. It's just sad to me that it never occur to you that we should expect a higher standard of police behavior. You are like the rest that is condemning Pamela. You are holding her to a higher standard of behavior. And you accept that the police is unprofessional. This is the message that you are conveying: She should be smart. Not acting so dumb like what is shown in the video. The policemen are up to no good, she should be…. blah blah blah.
My contention is, what the heck? Why should we, as the good Samaritan on the side, keep quiet on the two policemen inproper conduct, instead siding with the corrupted and lamenting on Pamela???
Another point to ponder: The favorite racist slur of rednecks in the U.S. is:"Hey! This is America! If you can't speak proper English, get the hell out of here and go back to your country!"
Compared that to what AR has posted. It just show that he is no different from the white racist redneck.
"Again, another supporter condoning the behavior of two policemen not showing their authority card after being requested by a member of the public."
Should we put our citizens or womenfolk in danger simply because an authority card is flashed? If that card if FAKE, how do we even verify or authenticate it as well? One could say, 'You don't look like a real police person.' Then what? Go to the police station to verify? And that itself would be even riskier depending on who is in charge during what shift or the district one is in! FREE Citizens in a FREE Nation cannot tolerate that now can they?
Are there publicly accessible cameras in the police station, especially lock-up areas to monitor what happens? It is undeniable that Pam was acting in self preservation given all these hazards and potential death sentences.
People even say that to visit a convicted friend in prison could put one in danger! So guess why Pam acted in this manner? Fear and an opaque system (which has not implemneted the IPCMC even at the Ruler's orders) that even MACC a non-criminal branch interview could even result in TBH's death.
Now Malaysian police murder witness Selvachandra might be the next. So until such occurances are end or are assured against via IPCMC or the culture of impunity that cybertroopers would propagate here, or publicly accessible monitoring within PDRM premises are assured, we would expect many more *Pam-like incidents*, even as the APARTHEID and racial hatred continues around us.
These intangible and not easily elucidated factors about the 'spirit of application' of law here, make Pam's actions particularly appropriate and are a reaffirmation of CITIZEN POWER against AUTHORITARIAN state sposored impunity or a culture of 'word of law applied in absence of spirit of law'.
All who attacked Pam's actions are not real Malaysians but *parasite criminals* or *religious subverts*, establishment, beneficiaries beholden to abusive political cliques, hiding behind so-called special privileges, shaky reputations, links to dubious government institutions, state titles, or educational qualifications.
Pam is a brave and sincere citizen. @AR and 'Zurul' or their kind are the unethical filth that managed to stay in power by the people's ignorance of what filth is doing to the nation.
The Malays as a race per se are not enemies of anyone, the police are not our enemies either (know which ones support the IPCMC and you will know the righteous among policemen), but the REAL ENEMIES are – plutocrats, lapdogs and racists, politicians who write laws entitling themselves to 750K funeral expenses while others receive only 2K, so ALL READERS make sure you know how to differentiate normal citizens of good intent and conscience and the UMNO-putra and lapdog sequesterers of 53 years of NEP wealth.
Here are 2 of the worst yapping away shamelessly that should be summarily turned away by the legal establishment and religious establishment respectively, even sent for checking by the psychiatric establishment as well by their viciousness and lack of human decency.
The writing is on the wall, no amount of spin can change the judgment of the right minded citizen. So keep signing your indictments @AR and 'Zarul', the ordinary citizens will look back someday and say – they did themselves in.
chinese owez blaming malay police…that fact-jomla jd polis wahai orang cina-n fact..if orang cina nak jadi polis lebih senang drpd malay y apply..
"Broaden your mind, look at the grander scheme of how things really operate."
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
This is the ONLY grander scheme acceptable worldwide. Continuation of APARTHEID, lapdoggery and enforced subjugation of citizens via support of unconstitutional laws or technology are not how things are *SUPPOSED TO* 'really operate'.
Generations worth of UMNO-putra thieves and their overfed lapdogs continuing APARTHEID should no longer be tolerated by Malays. Look at the mess of corrupted viewpoints @AR is leaving on the message boards here.
Are there no real Malays of integrity left that won't do the minorities a favour by 'doing the honors'? Any jaguh kampung, would you please *put a stop* to this incessant yapping . . .
@ bitch.
OMG. i am surprised!
@Zarul Wong, Son of Sam Woo, AR, teo siew chin
This is the hottest conversation i saw, and i really agree to you all.
@bitch
Mister ISA methinks. Quite ironic :P
click on [Older Comments] on dz page. press [ctrl-f]. find the word [bitch]. see who uses it the most
seriously, u really got to do it. u will be surprised
*her BM is just what like she said herself, a pendatang yang baru sampai Tanah Melayu.
Neither is her fake, try hard American accent is any good either :P
@IsayNo2ISA
You are just focusing and narrowing on the technicalities of things. Broaden your mind, look at the grander scheme of how things really operate. Don't be like a bloodyidiot up there, who can't get past a few sentences.
Americans do not have an identity card, the only official national identification document is their passports. But bringing around a passport all day, is a quite of a hassle, so how do they circumvent this issue? That's right, they use their driving licenses.
Now even if the police bantuan showed their authority cards, would you be able to show its authenticity? Well maybe you can, if you have a card reader that is. But even that wouldn't be help, the cards do not have that chip on them. Even you can make yourself an authority card I think, just download photoshop. Heck, maybe if you bump into Pamela one day, you can even use it against her. May I refer you to:
http://www.ehoza.com/v4/forum/isu-semasa-2008/181…
And to askingwhere, it is also of benefit that you showed us how the real police uniforms should look like. But ISA, like the RED BOOKS, we can't really expect 27 million copies of them to be printed then legislate to make all of us read them right? We are the fortunate few to have come across these information and hopefully, be able to recall each and every bit of it when the circumstance arise.
Which brings me to my earlier point:
'That is how the world operates, there is always the criminal element and you cannot expect a perfect system ANYWHERE in the world to protect you. As intelligible human beings though, you have a responsibility upon yourself to safeguard your own interest and yourself.'
If you were flagged down by the police one day and asked to follow to the station like Pamela here, do not, I repeat DO NOT, just follow blindly. Just because they produce those authority cards that you want so much to see, you follow their tails to anywhere they bring you to.
So like I said, 'as intelligible human beings though, you have a responsibility upon yourself to safeguard your own interest and yourself.' That in turn means utilizing that thing between our ears. That my friend, is the grander scheme of things.
@bitch
Hi there bitch. But that again, does not necessarily mean they are like Pamela:
'And it certainly does not give Pamela the rights to her bullying tactics then posting it on youtube. Very un-citizen like she is, just like she claiming to be a citizen journalist and the descendant of the first court interpreter (forgive me, I love to drill that into here head, cos people like Pamela need to be told over and over again :P), your BM is just what like you said, a pendatang yang baru sampai Tanah Melayu.'
Happy Deepavali all :P
click on [Older Comments] on dz page. press [ctrl-f]. find the word [bitch]. see who uses it the most
(1) how is not condoning stupid behaviour by a member of the public be interpreted as supporting the behavior of two policemen not showing their authority card????
(2) simply put – if i were stopped by even only ONE policeman,
with a GUN,
for an act i did not commit,
and he is shouting at me,
and do not show me an authority card,
i will just simply say – mari kita pegi balai!
paham?
Not to say i will not fight the good cause of course but the prudent thing to do will be to just discreetly jot down the culprit's name (if any), motor-bike number (if real), time and place of incident and then lodge a report at the nearest police station lah!
Always practice safety first – worse case scenerio, i do not want to have my brains blown out, my ahem violated, my mangled body thrown into a ditch rotting away for 4 days before i am found, ok.
btw i am a woman.
*her BM is just what like she said herself, a pendatang yang baru sampai Tanah Melayu.
@bloodyidiot
Don't be narrow like the persoon you are and just pick and choose a portion of my writing to defending your point of view, read the whole of it. Oh I forgot, you have a short concentration span. But like Zarul says, you gotta read past just a few sentences to really make it in life.
And it certainly does not give Pamela the rights to her bullying tactics then posting it on youtube. Very un-citizen like she is, just like she claiming to be a citizen journalist and the descendant of the first court interpreter (forgive me, I love to drill that into here head, cos people like Pamela need to be told over and over again :P), your BM is just what like you said, a pendatang yang baru sampai Tanah Melayu.
Her way will not work in changing things, if not further aggravating them. Don't be a hypocrite Pamela, you're on a wrong footing to begin with, hold yourself to a higher standard, then only you can change and make things new :P
AR said this:
That is why I have stressed, REASONABLE PERSON. We are not a developed nation as yet, neither the police, nor Pamela, nor you or me, have reached a mentality deservingly of a DEVELOPED NATION STATUS.
this mean that he agrees that the cops were not good enough for standards applied in a developed nation> He accepts their behaviour not because they are right but he holds them to a lower standard of behavior. His standards are lower. Does this imply that he really doesn't think highly of our cops?
i agree with zarul wong when he said:
yes, the two Polis Bantuan didn’t exactly deal with the matter in the most professional of conduct… and also said>Yes, the police should have conducted themselves better… and also>Yes, the police didn’t act accordingly
As for Pam, i don't bloody care> the cops are the guys who are paid and trained to behave.