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		<title>By: Ghaflennon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghaflennon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my story about an institution that has detached and disengaged itself from being of an accountable body . A sense of thankfulness was in containment . 
 
In the views of many , the inclusion of the Bar Council in Bersih to walk the street for cleaner and fairer election is in justification . It defines the constitutional rights to freedom of speech and expression , to assembly peaceably and without arms . These are some of  the constitutional rights , constitutionally granted !  
 
As someone remarks that the , &quot; Bar Council&#039;s democratic pretensions &quot; in which I think as pretension as such . More to that , I come to terms it is an incendiary body nonetheless the provocateur to Peace and Harmony . The  Bar Council must  concede by acknowledging the provision stipulated for the security of the Federation , public order or morality are  equally owned the constitutional rights too . 
 
I am in harmony with the Bar Council that it is the integral part of the juridical , which is striving to be a constitutional institution in the premise for an account  of the given laws for Peace and Harmony . But the gravity to uphold was put to vain . I have come to believe indefinitely &#160;it is not going to be so . The Bar Council has turned out to be a &#039; Movement &#039; which has gone beyond the perimeter of its fundamental function for justice . &#160; &#160; &#160; 
 
What &#039; they think right is just their construction of &#039; code of injunction &#039; &#160;and also their misrepresentation &#160;proverb to defend the fundamental rights and freedom from those they think have abused the rule of law . &#160;At the same time , the &#160;others prevailing stipulated rights are totally ignored . 
 
It seems exclusive &#160;, &#160;the movement has been told that it requires more &#160;of just being lawyers . They are required to march to the streets in order to uphold &#160; &#160;their brand of constructed &#160;justice . They are summoned to actively play broader roles for social conscience and more sense of responsibility because it is their democratic rights to do so . This &#160;is an affirmed affidavit underlined the broadening of &#160;their new &#039; code of injunction &#039; for the &#160;Movement &#160;. It smells mental anarchy to me &#160; . 
 
They forget that they are also physiologically &#160;bound by their unconsciousness prejudice, &#160;bias and naive in the meaning of upholding &#039; justice&#039; . The social and political conscience of justice fall into a thin line of dissent and bone of contention &#160;among them &#160;. As a result , the things that they are rightly believe are not what they rightly behave and yet they are not even aware of their &#160;rightly values and beliefs . &#160; 
 
The rightly shepherd who is trapped in and under unconsciousness phenomenon is Dato&#039; Ambiga &#160;Sreenevasan , an ex-president of the Bar . Her unconsciousness bias could deliberately manipulate her &#160;sheep to walk against their own interest and the laws . 
 
Of no doubt that she , the woman , was seen to have had led the movement but the peaceful march had gone berserk and beyond the pale . It seems to me she has not able to break her created three glasses ( Bersih 1,2 and 3 ) but has tainted her glasses into a darker black .&#160; 
 
Further , the &#160;deficiency and adversity of the &#039;Movement &#039; is when it becomes a partisan body in its advocacy by leadership . She has tarnished the integrity of our Democracy and rule of law by not being impartial . In conjunction and as mentioned , &#160;the rights of the majority peace-loving Malaysians are ignored .&#160; 
 
Advocating the march under Bersih is an act beyond the function of its jurisdiction &#160;. It jeopardizes its position and function as an advocator for justice and not being prejudice in our democratic system . We can smell again that the political motive of street demonstration &#160;is at large , to con brio the masses to overthrow undemocratically &#160;the present Administration . 
 
It is unfortunate &#160;, Amiga and the Bar Council have sucked themselves into being a   political mercenary for social and civil liberty with their new &#039; code of injunction &#039; as the guidance principal for &#039; their constructed justice by misrepresentation &#039; &#160;. She calls for a place that Bersih be part of the political evolution for a &#039; radical &#039; change in &#160;the Malaysian democracy .&#160; 
 
Bersih is her constructed cage for the sake of love , &#160;for her birds . 
 
God loved the birds and invented trees. &#160;Man loved the birds and invented cages. &#160;~Jacques Deval, Afin de vivre bel et bien 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my story about an institution that has detached and disengaged itself from being of an accountable body . A sense of thankfulness was in containment . </p>
<p>In the views of many , the inclusion of the Bar Council in Bersih to walk the street for cleaner and fairer election is in justification . It defines the constitutional rights to freedom of speech and expression , to assembly peaceably and without arms . These are some of  the constitutional rights , constitutionally granted !  </p>
<p>As someone remarks that the , &quot; Bar Council&#039;s democratic pretensions &quot; in which I think as pretension as such . More to that , I come to terms it is an incendiary body nonetheless the provocateur to Peace and Harmony . The  Bar Council must  concede by acknowledging the provision stipulated for the security of the Federation , public order or morality are  equally owned the constitutional rights too . </p>
<p>I am in harmony with the Bar Council that it is the integral part of the juridical , which is striving to be a constitutional institution in the premise for an account  of the given laws for Peace and Harmony . But the gravity to uphold was put to vain . I have come to believe indefinitely &nbsp;it is not going to be so . The Bar Council has turned out to be a &#039; Movement &#039; which has gone beyond the perimeter of its fundamental function for justice . &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
<p>What &#039; they think right is just their construction of &#039; code of injunction &#039; &nbsp;and also their misrepresentation &nbsp;proverb to defend the fundamental rights and freedom from those they think have abused the rule of law . &nbsp;At the same time , the &nbsp;others prevailing stipulated rights are totally ignored . </p>
<p>It seems exclusive &nbsp;, &nbsp;the movement has been told that it requires more &nbsp;of just being lawyers . They are required to march to the streets in order to uphold &nbsp; &nbsp;their brand of constructed &nbsp;justice . They are summoned to actively play broader roles for social conscience and more sense of responsibility because it is their democratic rights to do so . This &nbsp;is an affirmed affidavit underlined the broadening of &nbsp;their new &#039; code of injunction &#039; for the &nbsp;Movement &nbsp;. It smells mental anarchy to me &nbsp; . </p>
<p>They forget that they are also physiologically &nbsp;bound by their unconsciousness prejudice, &nbsp;bias and naive in the meaning of upholding &#039; justice&#039; . The social and political conscience of justice fall into a thin line of dissent and bone of contention &nbsp;among them &nbsp;. As a result , the things that they are rightly believe are not what they rightly behave and yet they are not even aware of their &nbsp;rightly values and beliefs . &nbsp; </p>
<p>The rightly shepherd who is trapped in and under unconsciousness phenomenon is Dato&#039; Ambiga &nbsp;Sreenevasan , an ex-president of the Bar . Her unconsciousness bias could deliberately manipulate her &nbsp;sheep to walk against their own interest and the laws . </p>
<p>Of no doubt that she , the woman , was seen to have had led the movement but the peaceful march had gone berserk and beyond the pale . It seems to me she has not able to break her created three glasses ( Bersih 1,2 and 3 ) but has tainted her glasses into a darker black .&nbsp; </p>
<p>Further , the &nbsp;deficiency and adversity of the &#039;Movement &#039; is when it becomes a partisan body in its advocacy by leadership . She has tarnished the integrity of our Democracy and rule of law by not being impartial . In conjunction and as mentioned , &nbsp;the rights of the majority peace-loving Malaysians are ignored .&nbsp; </p>
<p>Advocating the march under Bersih is an act beyond the function of its jurisdiction &nbsp;. It jeopardizes its position and function as an advocator for justice and not being prejudice in our democratic system . We can smell again that the political motive of street demonstration &nbsp;is at large , to con brio the masses to overthrow undemocratically &nbsp;the present Administration . </p>
<p>It is unfortunate &nbsp;, Amiga and the Bar Council have sucked themselves into being a   political mercenary for social and civil liberty with their new &#039; code of injunction &#039; as the guidance principal for &#039; their constructed justice by misrepresentation &#039; &nbsp;. She calls for a place that Bersih be part of the political evolution for a &#039; radical &#039; change in &nbsp;the Malaysian democracy .&nbsp; </p>
<p>Bersih is her constructed cage for the sake of love , &nbsp;for her birds . </p>
<p>God loved the birds and invented trees. &nbsp;Man loved the birds and invented cages. &nbsp;~Jacques Deval, Afin de vivre bel et bien</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus van Geyzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus van Geyzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be specific, for @keethariq&#039;s benefit, the answer lies in the meaning of &quot;justice&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be specific, for @keethariq&#039;s benefit, the answer lies in the meaning of &quot;justice&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fahri Azzat</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254716</link>
		<dc:creator>Fahri Azzat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 01:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Section 42(1)(a) Legal Profession Act 1976: 
 
The purpose of the Malaysian Bar shall be:  
 
(a) to uphold the cause of justice without regard to its own interests or that of its members, uninfluenced by fear or favour; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Section 42(1)(a) Legal Profession Act 1976: </p>
<p>The purpose of the Malaysian Bar shall be:  </p>
<p>(a) to uphold the cause of justice without regard to its own interests or that of its members, uninfluenced by fear or favour;</p>
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		<title>By: wonderworld</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254711</link>
		<dc:creator>wonderworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is right ?   A kills B.  Those defend A says he is innocent, self defense etc.    Those defend B says, because A is crazy, misbehaving, unreasonably.......    What is fair? What is you definition of fair?  Are you born fairly............compare to the rest of people? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is right ?   A kills B.  Those defend A says he is innocent, self defense etc.    Those defend B says, because A is crazy, misbehaving, unreasonably&#8230;&#8230;.    What is fair? What is you definition of fair?  Are you born fairly&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;compare to the rest of people?</p>
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		<title>By: notasmart lawyer !!</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254676</link>
		<dc:creator>notasmart lawyer !!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bar in condemning the police brutality must be equally aggressive in its condemnation against the protestors who &#8220;behaved like rioters and anarchists&#8221;. 
 
Fool !!! ..... Bersih is not anarchy .... this is anarchy !!!!  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw&amp;feature=fvst&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw&amp;fe...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bar in condemning the police brutality must be equally aggressive in its condemnation against the protestors who &ldquo;behaved like rioters and anarchists&rdquo;. </p>
<p>Fool !!! &#8230;.. Bersih is not anarchy &#8230;. this is anarchy !!!!<br />
  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw&amp;feature=fvst" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw&#038;fe&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: lynn cheang</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254641</link>
		<dc:creator>lynn cheang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 11:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good rebuttal! Are you guys putting this rebuttal in the Star?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good rebuttal! Are you guys putting this rebuttal in the Star?</p>
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		<title>By: phang</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254619</link>
		<dc:creator>phang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t believe how ridiculous this is all becoming when first-hand eye-witnesses who are only reporting what they saw, lawyers or otherwise, need to defend themselves against what is pure and utter propaganda posturing. 
 
it&#039;s like a school bully beating the crap out of the entire high-school class and then the class needs to repeat themselves over and over and over again that yes, that really happened, while some kid who was on medical leave repeatedly questions the truth of it, even when his classmates have the bruises still fresh on them.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#039;t believe how ridiculous this is all becoming when first-hand eye-witnesses who are only reporting what they saw, lawyers or otherwise, need to defend themselves against what is pure and utter propaganda posturing. </p>
<p>it&#039;s like a school bully beating the crap out of the entire high-school class and then the class needs to repeat themselves over and over and over again that yes, that really happened, while some kid who was on medical leave repeatedly questions the truth of it, even when his classmates have the bruises still fresh on them.</p>
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		<title>By: wonderworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonderworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree with you.  Maybe too many criminal lawyer around! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with you.  Maybe too many criminal lawyer around!</p>
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		<title>By: jolly cool</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254617</link>
		<dc:creator>jolly cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes.....  tiap-tiap orang mempunyai tanggungjawab sendiri.  Satu jari menujukan orang yang salah, 3 jari menujukan diri sendiri. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes&#8230;..  tiap-tiap orang mempunyai tanggungjawab sendiri.  Satu jari menujukan orang yang salah, 3 jari menujukan diri sendiri.</p>
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		<title>By: simple man</title>
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		<dc:creator>simple man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just a simple man.  But if someone did something not right/go wild &amp; police take some action....is that wrong? Is not easy to deal with &#039;rough people&#039;. I do not understand why BC keep on saying rights are oppressed.....maybe that is why lawyer is for - to defence the &#039;criminal&#039;??  Is that what BC doing now? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just a simple man.  But if someone did something not right/go wild &amp; police take some action&#8230;.is that wrong? Is not easy to deal with &#039;rough people&#039;. I do not understand why BC keep on saying rights are oppressed&#8230;..maybe that is why lawyer is for &#8211; to defence the &#039;criminal&#039;??  Is that what BC doing now?</p>
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		<title>By: @keethariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>@keethariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 08:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where exactly does it state that the Bar Council&#039;s duty is to speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves or fight for those whose rights are oppressed by the might of the State? If you could just humor me on this issue, thanks.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly does it state that the Bar Council&#039;s duty is to speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves or fight for those whose rights are oppressed by the might of the State? If you could just humor me on this issue, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bla bla bla Roger Tan bla bla bla Anwar Ibrahim bla bla bla we are apolitical bla bla bla </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bla bla bla Roger Tan bla bla bla Anwar Ibrahim bla bla bla we are apolitical bla bla bla</p>
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		<title>By: Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 06:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no necessity for police to go after rally-goers when they are already dispersing.  Police went after the people and beat them.  What is the rational for that?  Police should be calm and cool and not go bizarre.  They should treat the citizens well.  Even criminals have right when they are in the custody of the police.  They complain of being beaten why in custody, so why can&#039;t the Bar Council stand up for the rights of the rally-goers who are not even criminals.  They are just ordinary people who want a fair and just election.  This is a well-written piece. Roger Tan himself showed to us his biases and his own political leaning. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no necessity for police to go after rally-goers when they are already dispersing.  Police went after the people and beat them.  What is the rational for that?  Police should be calm and cool and not go bizarre.  They should treat the citizens well.  Even criminals have right when they are in the custody of the police.  They complain of being beaten why in custody, so why can&#039;t the Bar Council stand up for the rights of the rally-goers who are not even criminals.  They are just ordinary people who want a fair and just election.  This is a well-written piece. Roger Tan himself showed to us his biases and his own political leaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Quek</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254607</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Quek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 06:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo! What a masterpiece! LoyarBurokkers, you have not only eloquently defended the Bar&#8217;s swift  condemnation of the police brutality with lucid facts and logic, but have also given voice to the silent masses who have suffered the combined injustice of such state-instituted violence and the subsequent state-sponsored vilification. Your article should put Roger Tan and The Star to shame &#8211; that is, if they have a conscience </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo! What a masterpiece! LoyarBurokkers, you have not only eloquently defended the Bar&rsquo;s swift  condemnation of the police brutality with lucid facts and logic, but have also given voice to the silent masses who have suffered the combined injustice of such state-instituted violence and the subsequent state-sponsored vilification. Your article should put Roger Tan and The Star to shame &ndash; that is, if they have a conscience</p>
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		<title>By: pepperlim</title>
		<link>http://www.loyarburok.com/2012/05/22/fallacies-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-254602</link>
		<dc:creator>pepperlim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 05:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!  </description>
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		<title>By: shanon lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>shanon lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 05:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fellas, keep up the good work </description>
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		<title>By: Quek Kia Ping</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quek Kia Ping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a fantastic article in showing the Bar stand which is police brutality. Well written and well said. My support goes to the Bar. Without fear and favor  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a fantastic article in showing the Bar stand which is police brutality. Well written and well said. My support goes to the Bar. Without fear and favor</p>
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		<title>By: Bothbullshits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bothbullshits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,yada. no one is right. no one is wrong </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,yada. no one is right. no one is wrong</p>
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		<title>By: May Chee Chook Ying</title>
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		<dc:creator>May Chee Chook Ying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work, guys. Don&#039;t be cowed by those Yg Beruks.  No one can take away the good that you do, no matter how they spin. Take care and God bless. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work, guys. Don&#039;t be cowed by those Yg Beruks.  No one can take away the good that you do, no matter how they spin. Take care and God bless.</p>
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