Marriages between Muslims and non Muslims is prohibited under Islamic law, except in certain limited circumstances. Malaysian Islamic law is even more limited than some other schools of Islamic law. International human rights norms however suggest that the prohibition and criminalisation of interfaith marriages is an unreasonable restriction on the rights of men and women to marry and found a family.

Islamic law

Under Islamic law, as I understand it, a Muslim woman can only marry a Muslim man. However, a Muslim man can marry a Muslim woman or a Kitabiyyah. See for example section 10 of the Islamic Family Law (Federal Territories) Act 1984:-

Section 10. Persons of other religions.

(1) No man shall marry a non-Muslim except a Kitabiyah.

(2) No woman shall marry a non-Muslim.

A Kitabiyyah is generally regarded as a Person of the Book i.e. a Jew or a Christian. Traditional commentators discourage marriages between Muslims and non Muslims, although there is a divergence of views on when it is allowed and what restrictions are placed on the general rule above. See for example Abdur Rahman I’ Doi.

Most Malaysian State Syariah legislation, following the Shafie school, puts a slight gloss on the above rule. The following is the definition of a Kitabiyyah taken from the FT legislation:-

Kitabiyah means –

(a) a woman whose ancestors were from the Bani Ya’qub; or

(b) a Christian woman whose ancestors were Christians before the prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad; or

(c) a Jewess whose ancestors were Jews before the prophethood of the Prophet ‘Isa;

*Prophet ‘Isa is of course Christ to Christians. As I understand it, Bani Ya’qub are the descendants of the Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob To the Christians?), who had 12 sons who formed the 12 tribes of Israel.

(Incidentally, this means only Malayalee Christians in Malaysia – the Mar Thomites and the Syrian Christians – would probably comply with this requirement).

Some States do not have this provision at all, instead only allowing Muslims to marry Muslims. (I recently learnt that Sarawak only permits a Muslim to marry another Muslim, whether you are a man or a woman.)

An interesting discussion on this, which also shows this Malaysian definition of a Kitabiyyah is perhaps unique to the Shafie school can be seen in the English Court of Appeal decision in U Viswalingam v S Viswalingam [1980] 1 MLJ 10.

Malaysian civil law

The Malaysian Law Reform (Marriage and Divorce) Act 1976 does not apply to Muslims (section 3). Hence, in Malaysia there is no means for a Muslim to marry a non Muslim under the civil law. In fact, the Muslim who goes through a marriage or even cohabits with a non Muslim runs the risk of falling foul of a number of offences under State Syariah criminal law prohibiting fornication (zina) and close proximity (khalwat).

This position is of course contrasted with the position in India and Singapore where by the Special Marriage Act of 1958 and the Woman’s Charter respectively, a Muslim and a non Muslim can lawfully marry. In both countries, if two Muslims are getting married to each other, their marriage is solemnised under Islamic law. It is noteworthy that the famous Bollywood actor Shah Rukh Khan, a Muslim, and his Hindu wife Gauri have been happily married since 1991.

International human rights norms

In addition to the protections for religious freedom and equality under the law, there are specific protections for the human right, in of itself, to found a family.

For example, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights provides that “Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.”: Article 16(1)

Article 23(2) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides that “The right of men and women of marriageable age to marry and found a family shall be recognized”. Although the Human Rights Committee of the United Nations in General Comment No. 19 does not explicitly state that this provision requires the State to ensure the right to persons of differing religions to marry, it does state that “the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion implies that the legislation of each State should provide for the possibility of both religious and civil marriages.”

It is also interesting that in the USA, the equality clause of the US Bill of Rights has been held to prohibit the criminalisation of marriages between difference races: see the US Supreme Court decision of Richard Perry Loving et. ux v Virginia (1967) 388 US 1, 18 L Ed 2d 1010 (now dramatised in the Hallmark production “Mr & Mrs Loving”). There does not seem to be any case on interfaith marriages. However, the current dispute in the US on the legality of same gender marriages and how it is ultimately resolved will no doubt be of relevance to this issue.

It seems clear, however, based on a simple reading of the provisions of the UDHR and ICCPR that to restrict the right of two consenting adults to live together and to found a family merely because of their differing religions is contrary to the rights of equality under the law, the right of religious freedom and the right to found a family contained within international human rights norms.

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221 replies on “Muslim/non-Muslim marriages in Malaysia”

  1. hello i am pakistani muslim my gf is malay christian.how can i marry her there is any rules to marry in malaysia to christian girl.she want to convert in islam so wht is the prcedure kindly help me

  2. Hello, I would like to ask for advice, I realise some of you may not agree with the neither the situation or the way I am living my life but I really hope you are able to look beyond that and offer some advice without judgement, I know seeking a lawyer would be the best thing to do but having read the posts here I would very much value your advice.

    The situation is, I am a British female living and working in Malaysia, I was baptised Church of England but do not practice any religion. My boyfriend is a local Malaysian which naturally he was born a Muslim but he also does not actually practice any religion.

    I found out that we would not be able to live together here without a chance of him being fined or thrown in jail but I have a disability and he takes care of me and helps me around the home, he is so caring and won't let me try to manage alone or without his help.
    I am not able to have any children so that would never be an issue, he is fine with that.
    We are very much in love and we just want to take care of each other and spend our lives together.
    Although I am not practicing any religion and neither is he, I do respect his families beliefs as I respect the rights and beliefs of all human beings as long as they do not cause harm to any other being.

    As far as I am aware, he is not allowed to leave his religion and I am not allowed to live with him unless we were to try to get a special marriage license. Since neither of us practice any religion it would seem very wrong for me to convert to Islam as I would be merely borrowing beliefs just to get around a legal issue, I have respect for those of the Muslim faith, I would not go and get married in a church in England just because 'it's traditional' to do so and so I would not borrow any religion to suit my needs or tastes.

    I suppose if one needs to be boxed then I am an Atheist but please don't think I am not a good person. I am just a human being in love with another human being and we want to unite our lives and hopefully get old and die together.

    Please could anyone tell me if there are any legal options for us? We do not want to be without each other but we want to stay in Malaysia near his family and friends.

    I would be most grateful for your advice!

    Kind Regards to all

    Kristina

    1. Hi Kristina,

      My name is Elly and i am a muslim who is married to a French (catholic) guy and now living in France. We have been married for almost 5 years now and we have 2 beautiful and happy babies. We had a religious ceremony in Kuala Lumpur and a civil ceremony in France. For sure my husband had to convert but it was not a problem for him because he wanted us to build a family together without upsetting anyone or breaking any laws of any religion or country in the process. What i'm trying to say is, if yr bf is the right person for you, it shouldn't be this complicated. Don't worry too much about the rules and converting and the rest of the other nonsense as per stated in the comments above. The main goal is to be together right??? Do what you think feels right to you. I'm not saying it's gonna be easy but i'm sure it's gonna be worth it. Remember, good things don't come easy. I wish you all the best :)

  3. Hi. I am a Non Malaysian Muslim lady who want to get married with a Non Muslim Malaysian (Indian). My boyfriend doesn't like to convert to Islam but we want to go to Germany as he is working there, so we need an official marriage certificate ASAP which is acceptable in Germany to apply for my visa!
    I will thank you guys if you give me some information in this area :-)

  4. Ali Davidson,
    You can read Bahasa Melayu right? If not, shame on you live in Malaysia. When you can speak and write very well in English, you just fail in Bahasa Melayu. Read my statement here in Melayu Baku.

    Kamu hendak memberitahu orang ramai yang kamu tidak pernah setuju dengan kewujudan undang-undang yang berkait rapat dengan agama melalui provokasi media sosial? Hanya untuk kepuasan minda dan hati kamu?
    Sehingga kamu sanggup membuang masa membalas dan membidas semua komen. Tapi masih ada kekosongan dalam diri yang kamu rasakan? Hidup kamu memang sangat kasihan, bila mana kamu tegas mengatakan kamu tidak peduli tentang semua itu, yang penting kamu berkahwin dengan orang yang kamu cintai.

    Semua perkara yang kamu nyatakan sebenarnya tiada kaitan langsung dengan undang- undang di Malaysia, biarpun kamu bermati-matian memberi penerangan. Hakikat sebenarnya kamu tidak dapat berkahwin dengan wanita Islam, membuatkan kamu benci, sakit hati dan merasakan semua orang yang menganut Islam dan agama Islam itu sendiri hanya menyusahkan.

    Biar apapun agama kamu, kaji dan fahami agamamu dahulu. Benar tidak pernah wujud undang-undang dalam agamamu? Jika tidak mempunyai agama, kamu bebas? Jadi, siapa yang menciptakanmu?
    Siapa yang menjalankan undang-undang bagaimana kamu dijadikan? Jika tidak menurut urutan dan undang- undang, pastinya kamu tidak akan menjadi manusia yang bijak seperti sekarang.

    Jika tiada aturan dan undang- undang, maka dunia akan benar- benar amankah? Dengan kewujudan manusia yang hanya membuat sesuka hati, membuta tuli. Bagaimana dunia pada ketika itu? Dapatkah undang- undang manusia sendiri dituruti untuk menyelesaikannya sedangkan ia senang sekali untuk diubah?

    Tolong jangan menyelar Islam untuk kesilapan hidup kamu. Islam mempunyai prinsipnya sendiri sama seperti agama lain. Setiap agama, saya percaya mempunyai teras dan batasnya sendiri.
    Bacalah kitab Islam- AlQuran dan fahami kenapa wujudnya segala kekusutan dan kerosakan di dunia seperti yang kamu rasakan dan fikirkan dilakukan oleh Islam.

    Jika kamu ingin perubahan, cubalah lakukan. Bukan hanya bercakap kosong di sini seolah- olah anda benar 100% dan telah berusaha dengan seluruh hidup kamu untuk mengubahnya.
    Setelah itu, datanglah ke sini dan debat sekali lagi. Tapi hanya setelah kamu mempunyai keberanian untuk memahami agama Islam yang kamu kutuk dan telah membuat tindakan di atas hak kebebasan beragama yang kamu tegaskan.

    Tidak perlu menulis untuk membidas kenyataan saya ini. kamu cuma perlu melakukan cabaran mudah: pelajari Islam & lakukan apa yang telah kamu laungkan dahulu tanpa perlu memburukkan orang, agama atau kepercayaan orang lain.
    Sudahkah anda lakukannya? Bagaimana hasilnya?

    Orang yang hidup dalam cinta agamanya, tidak akan terpesong dengan godaan yang ada.
    -Tidak Diketahui-

  5. Hallo .. Please help me I love Muslim man who is separated from his wife he wants to Marty me in Muslim country soot Islamic country I wish to do so can it be done if he still legally married he is from Saudi Arabia
    Would our marriage be legal I am converting to Islam
    Thank you

  6. hi im a malaysian indian girl.. who like to married to a muslim man and he is from india.. so ya i would like to convert to muslim as well.. can i know its will take how long i mean how many months and how can i convert n where is the best place in johor bharu??? and my lifepartner he is a muslim does he need the single statement or anything else???? pls reply me assp.. thankz…. god bless the world ppl…

  7. This happen in Malaysia only,other country non muslim and a muslim can marriage. As religion is a ver personal matter.

    In fact, in the olden days, when men were stupid enought,they always prevent members of their religion to marriage other religion member and they were forbided to leave the religion. This is just like secrete societies"you can come in but not get out".

    As I have said, religion is a very personal matter, how can other interfer him get out of the religion when he feel the religion is not the one he can suit.

  8. Hi Shanmuga K,

    I believe there have been many comments being posted up in this section between the muslim & n/muslim marriages. also, i realize that u stated these marriages which took place and registered overseas, i.e in one of the comments, India or Singapore, would be deemed illegal once they're back to M'sia….

    but this is contrary to what I've been reading from handful number of forums and websites regarding these special marriages registered in Thailand. Apparently, these thai marriages are recognized in Malaysia once the couples are back here. in fact there have been many couples claiming they have done so. U just have to get the papers from Malaysian Embassy in Thailand and then proceed with ur marriage registration in their amphur. finally register ur marriage at ROM of Malaysia in Thailand.

    Anyway, I'm a victim of the situation. hence , appreciate if you could contribute some insights towards this matter.

    Thank you.

    Concerned Human

  9. Hello, my muslim girlfriend and myself are both Malaysians. I am a christian. If I convert to a muslim outside the country like Indonesia or Thailand and marry her there, would I be required to convert again when I return to Malaysia? Secondly could I register the marriage in Malaysia and get a local Marriage certificate without changing my IC status to Islam?

  10. hello my name is harron i married with malayisan hindu women she convert for me in islam can you tell me if she wants to convert back in hindi izit possible tat she can convert back ?

  11. Hello how are you doing ? Am Mr Bashir and i wanted to know about marriage here in malaysia if we are egilbe to get marriage here ..am a ghanaian passport holder and my marriage partner was american passport holder ..We are here in malaysia on vacation and we decide to get marriage over here so we would like to know if we are eligle to get muslim marriage ..I was born and raised up in Islam but she is ready to convert to Islam.

    Am waiting to hear from you

  12. Ali Davidson,

    My good sir you are truly a shinning light in my beliefs of liberty. I dont know who you are or where you're from, but man, if you ever run for politics to have just this one law changed, i will be there with you till we die. It is people like you who must shape the future of humankind.

    Well in my situation right now this is how the story goes. I am a Muslim French/Malay who has been brought up with an open mind (my French father always told me that if I want to believe in god, all I have to do is believe in my soul's connection to that energy in the universe). Now I've been overseas since the age of 11 and now here I am 27 back in my home country. So I'm chillin and I meet a girl, a beautiful Christian Dusun Malay girl, who has an open mind, like me. We fell in love and now we want to get married. The only thing standing in the way is the fact that she has to convert. She has no problems with this because we know we want to spend our lives together. But her parents have a problem with it, which I can totally understand.

    Now, next week I am to go meet her parents and convince them to let her do it. How do I feel? Disgusted! I feel like I am disrespecting another human being, tearing apart a family. Why does it have to be this way? I do not see why this law is still around in this day and age?

    For those of you who support this law, let me ask you this. Is it really the words of the Quran? The article up there plainly states that the words of this religious law has been twisted in this country. By right I should be able to marry her because she is Christian and I am a Muslim male, but why has this been twisted here? Now, before anyone starts burning me for disrespecting anything, dont even try. I am half european and half asian. I have grown up and loved other humans from all races and all religions. Never once have I disrespected anyone, or looked down on other religions like so many have against me.

    I dont know what to think now really. I am no politician, but if i could I would fight to the death for what I believe in. And what I believe in is LOVE. Being in-love and starting a family, that's what life is all about isn't it? And that's what I finally found, my soulmate, a woman that I want to make babies with. Beautiful babies, smart babies, maybe even grow up to be artists and engineers of the future.

    Now all i have is deep wishing, praying and asking for forgiveness for all the hurt and failures I have caused. Wishing to God, that he will convince my love's parents to let her convert for the sake of our love.

    Please, please… Please. We are all humans, we are all equals, why do we need laws like this to hurt the lives of people who just want to be humble and start a family with the person they love.

    Peace and Love is all I live for.

      1. me too…can you share your feeling with me… i plan to marry my gf this year who is chinese born muslim… Scared to face the future and don dare to imagine my future after i convert into muslim…my fren all have warned me of this but i cant break up with my gf who has been together with me 5 years…. what can i do? sigh….

    1. To all,
      I have nothing against anyone of you but I reckon the main reason perhaps is when the couple have children in future. What religion / belief in future do they have to follow, the father / mother? My family converted to muslim when I was very young. I reckon I have no choice hence I followed my parents to convert.
      And now, even if I do not belief in Islam, I can't even renounce. It's not really about religion that matters me I think. I'm planning to marry a christian lady and I do not want her to convert as I feel it's not right for me to force her just because I'm a muslim. I have this dilemma since long time ago and I reckon there is nothing much I can do about the constitution law or the islamic law or whatever law you call it.

    2. Hello Kaz,
      We have totally the same issue over here and i am still in the process of going thru all the procedure for getting married… now i do not have issue with parents !!! i only have the problem with the goverment and for getting the documents ready for the marriage . !!! can you please advise if you succeed in getting married with the girl you wanted and how did you do it ???? i seriously need some help over here !!!
      my story goes like this !!
      I meet a french girl who is NON Muslim and i am a muslim from malaysia after being together for quite some time now we have decided to get married but there is a problem where she does not want to convert to islam and i dont want to force her to convert without knowing the religion !! in this case the marriage in malaysia is not possible because of its a islamic country and if a non muslim wants to marry a muslim then the non muslim needs to convert to islam ….
      Now i am stuck in this procedure and i have very less time because we are planning to get married before end of march ….

      1. hey dude, it is impossible and not recognisable to marry in Malaysia if she does not convert into Muslim… if possible let me know cos my gf is muslim and i'm looking for other method to evade from converting into Muslim…. tytytyty

    3. WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE IF I WISH TO GET MARRIED TO A FRENCH CITIZEN?
      What is needed to apply for Authorization to Marry a French Citizen:
      •Birth Certificate (translated to French)
      •Statutory Declaration
      •Marital Status Letter
      •Certificate de Celibat
      •Certificate de Coutome

  13. Respected Sir / Madam,

    I am a Muslim foreigner & my girl friend is a Malaysian Christian. We want to get marry. Is it possible we can registered in Malaysia with out her convert religion Or we should to go out any other country to marry & come in Malaysia? Kindly explain properly. i will be gland.
    THANKS

  14. hello me ali from pakistan i wana married with any malaysian women or chines women they may contact with me at my cell number00923003932227

  15. If u don't understand what is Islam, neverever convert. If u did without first knowing wat's the consequence, u'll ended in deep shit, cos there are no way out for u especially if u plan to stay in Malaysia or Islamic countries.

  16. What bout Iranian Muslim? I heard there's 2 types of Muslim. If they get married with a Malaysian Christian, must the Malaysian christian convert to Muslim?

  17. hi there, i converted few years ago jus to marry my muslim boyfriend who is a foreigner. Just a few days I got married to my boyfriend. But I have a 10 year old child from my previous boyfriend, do I have to get her converted too which I don't want cos she was brought up as a christian and it is not fair for her to convert jus b'cos i did.

  18. hi all,

    i am wondering, is it possible for me to convert in other country, maybe Iran, Iraq or Dubai and come back to get marry in Malaysia?

    Myself is non-muslim but my partner yes. I plan to convert in his country since I will spend 3 to 6 months there. after back to malaysia, we will register our marriage here.

    Is oversea convert valid?

  19. Hi there,

    I have few enquiries which need someone guidance.

    I will marry in this coming Sept with Iranian husband. Due to her parent, we will be having wedding in Iran. Since I will spend my time in Iran for about 1.5 months, I plan to convert islam there.

    1. Will this convertion be recognised by Malaysia? I heard there is different islam between Malaysia and Iran.

    2. I will be having ROM in Iran, I will only report back to JPN when i come back to Malaysia. Will there be any problem if we only report back our ROM as we will stay in Malaysia. Or it is better to ROM in Malaysia?

  20. to Ali davidson…

    sedap mulut kamu je nk cakap ee…. cube la bace perlembagaan tu betol2…. ko dh songsang then ko nk sonsang kan orang lain pulak… plzzz la… cermin diri sendiri dulu… bukan tak cukup ilmu xboleh nk menegur.. tapi.. ape yang kamu nk tegur tu pown memang xbetol…. bak kate aku la.. sendiri sedar diri la….

    kamu nk cerite pasal perlembagaan malaysia dengan undang2 agame islam yg dh memang universal… hei mat…!!! tak payah tunggu ade dalam perlembagaan la… semua orang islam kene tahu hukum hakam agame tu sendiri…. kamu ni nk bukak cerite mcm kamu ni org BODOH pulak…. hei…!! sedar diri mat….

    tak payah cerite undang2 islam yg universal nih… ko bukak la undang2 agame lain yg same universal…. still ade undang2.. ade sekatan nye…. agame kristian la contohnye….. tapi susah jugak…. care ko bercakap pown mcm org xde agame…. susah jugak tu….

    ko boleh je nk bukak balik cerite pasal perlembagaan… Hak Asasi Manusia la…. bagai-bagai lg la…. bukak je semue…. ko bijak kan….. tapi aku nk tnye kamu la….. SAME KE HUKUM TUHAN TU DENGAN HUKUM MANUSIE….??? YANG MANE LEBIH WAJIB KAMU IKUT… CIPTAAN TUHAN KE..?? CIPTAAN MANUSIE…. ops..!! skali lagi aku terlupe la…. kamu ni xpercaye tuhan ee…??? xde agame…??

    Ali Davidson…. i know u will insult me after this…. because of ur cleverness…. but… i hope u know… "what goes around.. must come around.." the bad thing u said to me…. just showed who u are….

  21. Hi,

    Is it compulsory to convert into Muslim for a Malaysian Chinese woman to marry a Canadian Muslim man??

  22. hye..

    i got some problem here..

    i want to convert to christian..

    coz my bf is chinese..i want to marry him..anyone know where can i change my religion??

  23. mdz,

    Otak primitif!

    Then we will lawan sampai mati. And we will make enough noise so that the law will change. We will cause enough of a ruckus that they will be forced to change the law.

    Tak payah ubah constitution, it is undang-undang islam yang unconstitutional ini yang kita kena mansuhkan!

    1. Ali Davidson,

      My good sir you are truly a shinning light in my beliefs of liberty. I dont know who you are or where you're from, but man, if you ever run for politics to have just this one law changed, i will be there with you till we die. It is people like you who must shape the future of humankind.

      Well in my situation right now this is how the story goes. I am a Muslim French/Malay who has been brought up with an open mind (my French father always told me that if I want to believe in god, all I have to do is believe in my soul's connection to that energy in the universe). Now I've been overseas since the age of 11 and now here I am 27 back in my home country. So I'm chillin and I meet a girl, a beautiful Christian Dusun Malay girl, who has an open mind, like me. We fell in love and now we want to get married. The only thing standing in the way is the fact that she has to convert. She has no problems with this because we know we want to spend our lives together. But her parents have a problem with it, which I can totally understand.

      Now, next week I am to go meet her parents and convince them to let her do it. How do I feel? Disgusted! I feel like I am disrespecting another human being, tearing apart a family. Why does it have to be this way? I do not see why this law is still around in this day and age?

      For those of you who support this law, let me ask you this. Is it really the words of the Quran? The article up there plainly states that the words of this religious law has been twisted in this country. By right I should be able to marry her because she is Christian and I am a Muslim male, but why has this been twisted here? Now, before anyone starts burning me for disrespecting anything, dont even try. I am half european and half asian. I have grown up and loved other humans from all races and all religions. Never once have I disrespected anyone, or looked down on other religions like so many have against me.

      I dont know what to think now really. I am no politician, but if i could I would fight to the death for what I believe in. And what I believe in is LOVE. Being in-love and starting a family, that's what life is all about isn't it? And that's what I finally found, my soulmate, a woman that I want to make babies with. Beautiful babies, smart babies, maybe even grow up to be artists and engineers of the future.

      Now all i have is deep wishing, praying and asking for forgiveness for all the hurt and failures I have caused. Wishing to God, that he will convince my love's parents to let her convert for the sake of our love.

      Please, please… Please. We are all humans, we are all equals, why do we need laws like this to hurt the lives of people who just want to be humble and start a family with the person they love.

      Peace and Love is all I live for.

      1. Kaz,

        Although there are lots of different laws in Islamic Jurisprudence, because there are many school of thoughts in Islam, but it is written in the Quran that:

        "This day are all things good and pure made lawful to you…. Lawful to you in marriage are not only chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time, when you give them their due dowers, and desire chastity not lewdness… " (Qur'an 5:5)

        Hence interfaith marriage in Islam was normal during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. People of the Book here means the Christians and the Jews. Note that from Islamic perspective, God courage man to choose chaste woman as wife, regardless whether she is a Muslim, Christian or Jewish.

        However, my opinion would be that you guys should marry if you both love each other. I believe it is permissible in Islam, but not permissible in society. Society will look towards with negativity or confusion maybe (if in Malaysia), but say boo to those, this is your life and walk it like it is your own! Not others.

      2. Sucks that you are not a French national. You could just have easily renounce Islam and marry your girlfriend without dealing with all the BS in Malaysia. Hope it went well for you.

  24. to Ali Davidson.

    "Woi bodoh… bacalah betul-betul, itu pengembangan apa-apa doktrin atau kepercayaan agama di kalangan orang islam kat artikel 11(4).

    Undang-undang memang dah ade lama. Tak ade apa-apa kaitan dengan perkahwinan la bodoh. Perkahwinan tu bawah kuasa negeri."

    so. kenapa ko nak ubah agama orang lain. eh.

    ingat perkahwinan dengan orang islam tu macam beli ikan kat pasar ke?

    Ko pilih negeri mana-mana.

    -Johor, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Melaka, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Perlis, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Negeri Sembilan, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Selangor, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Perak, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Kedah, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Kelantan, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Pahang, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Sabah, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Sarawak, tak boleh kahwin.

    -Federal pun tak bleh gak.

    Ko nak pergi mana? Sampai mati lawan pun tak boleh menang la, lainla kalo negara ni ko punya. Lain la kalo jadi KING HENRY VIII.

    "Perkahwinan" dalam islam ni paling basic. Memang dalam kepercayaan pun. Aku tau, banyak agama pakai sistem "register".

    Tapi ingat islam tu tak mudah macam ko fikir. Register perkahwinan tak cukup. kena pakai undang-undang islam gak untuk praktis.

    Kepercayaan islam kata, perkahwinan tak bleh pakai sistem register aja. ada akad dan macam-macam. Mesti orang yang tak gila, baru boleh kahwin. dan lain-lain undang-undang.

    Undang-undang camni sebenarnya direka oleh orang-orang tua dulu-dulu untuk orang macam ko.

    Kot-kot bila diorang dah mati, boleh plak ko ubah constitution suka-suka hati korang.

  25. Firstly, I am sad here…

    I want to know,

    Because, I fell in love with a Christian girl,

    And I'm a Muslim.

    We've been together (not married) for 9 years now. We are now both 25 years old.

    We want to tie the knot.

    But she doesn't want to convert.

    She wants civil marriage..

    I'm so depressed by this matter right now…

    Can somebody help me and clear my doubtful mind?

    I really want to marry her…

    =(

    1. Dear Confused,

      If you wish to engage in a discussion that may assist in clearing your doubtful mind, please feel free to email me privately at the address I described in my earlier postings here. Thanks.

  26. Dear D, You may wish to consult the list of Syariah practitioners held by the relevant State Religious Department. Though I am somewhat familiar in Syariah matters, I am not a qualified Syariah practitioner. However, if you would like to indulge in a discussion about an issue of interest, I would happy to do so. You may reach me at my full name without any break @ loyarburok.com.

  27. I need some advice from a lawyer well versed in Syariah laws and would appreciate if you can leave me your email so that I can contact you. Thnx.

  28. mdz,

    Woi bodoh… bacalah betul-betul, itu pengembangan apa-apa doktrin atau kepercayaan agama di kalangan orang islam kat artikel 11(4).

    Undang-undang memang dah ade lama. Tak ade apa-apa kaitan dengan perkahwinan la bodoh. Perkahwinan tu bawah kuasa negeri.

    My argument is, ape-ape pun undang-undang negeri mesti tak boleh infringe my personal liberty.

    I rase best thing u pegi beli perlembagaan persekutuan dan baca dulu. Jangan bukak mulut sebelum baca. U pegi baca wikipedia buat ape? Bodoh!

  29. Ali Davidson,

    "Woi bodoh, berape kali aku nak ulang?

    Constitution is supreme law of the land. Ko punyer “Islamic law” cannot contradict the Constitution la bangang."

    oh, i am yet a "bangang", so i want to know, who really make that "constitution" in malaysia. put your shit in the bag, and put it in your mouth yourself.

    oh, yeah. calculate your "bodoh's shoutout" inside this webpage and think who say this the most!

  30. mdz,

    Woi bodoh, berape kali aku nak ulang?

    Constitution is supreme law of the land. Ko punyer "Islamic law" cannot contradict the Constitution la bangang.

    "Islamic Law" is enacted in State Legislative assembly. Ini bukan Islamic Law dari Quran, ini enakmen dari Dewan Undangan Negeri la bodoh.

    This can change. This is why I'm writing here, so that people will wake up and realise they can either challenge the law kat Mahkamah Sivil or suruh diorang punyer ADUN pegi mansuhkan undang-undang ini.

    Now, open your mouth and let me shit into it!

    1. Dear Mr. Davidson,

      I read with interest of the earlier post of urs in this subject. Later fill my nite with laughter with all the lengthly explanation between religion law vs constitution to the some people here.

      'Ur words is what most of the minority feel'. Yet none is dare to challenge the law.

      I personally pity country with law like this, as u know lots of marriage and family being destroyed by it.

      Finally, i would like to say <Woi bodoh, berape kali aku nak ulang?> makes my nite. LOL.

      Wish the world less moron, more peace….

  31. To Ali Davidson.

    So, "My right to profess my religion is absolute!"

    It is, an it was no problem if you want to worship any Frodo Baggins too.

    No problem according to Article 11.

    You, may say you want to marry Islam people. OK. That was (1) fact. In this case, if you are an atheist.

    Islam people itself, was forbidden to marry to other people because, it was forbidden by the religion. (2)

    So, when the religion forbid that. You are angry. You dont want to convert.

    So. If that Muslim married with you, you dont do any wrongdoings, but, the Muslim does.

    We dont restrict you actually, but we restrict muslim people to do that.

    It simply a Islamic law, for islamic people. If you dont want to follow, stay away from islam people (if you want to marry and stick to your belief in the same time).

    If you dont like any islamic law, go to other country that practice non islamic law.

    Even you say any blah, blah blah…. shit over this and that, this will never change. Is it true?

  32. Sigh, I’m not even a lawyer and I know for a fact you are talking horseshit.

    Syariah court is a bloody state religious court. The syariah court only has power because state law has given it power. How can it now use Islamic law from the Quran to declare a law enacted by a state legislative assembly invalid? Use your bloody brains!

    Only the civil courts have the power to interpret written laws. In this case that is what the “Islamic Law” in Malaysia is. It is a written law. The law cited by the author above is a written law by a State assembly, only the High Court/Federal Court can challenge it.

    Your make no sense at all. You are clearly talking through your ass. Go and read the Constitution before you open your mouth again.

    That’s the problem with you. You haven’t bloody read the Constitution and yet you’re running your mouth like a bloody genius when in fact you’re making yourself look like a bloody fool.

    On your next point, once again, you are wrong. And you just don’t bloody understand what I’m saying, which proves how stupid you are and how you refuse to accept your stupidity.

    My right to profess my religion is absolute! Read the constitution!

    Next, where is it stated in the Constitution that it is ‘freedom of religion’ for Muslims to not want to marry non Muslim and enact a law to that effect? Show me!

    Yet again horseshit. Don’t even fucking understand the Constitution and you’re running your mouth like diarrhea! You are such a moron!

    So, if tomorrow I start a religion and all my adherents from the 11 Zodiac signs agree that all Pisceans and Pisceans themselves agree that they must be sodomised in public and later murdered?

    Are you telling me that you as a responsible leader is not going to put an end to such a grotesque display of shittiness?

    And how in the world do you know the Muslims have voluntarily submitted themselves to it? Did you conduct a survey? A referendum? Do you have some statistic somewhere shoved in your ass that you’re not sharing with anyone? Perhaps Muslims disagree with it but are too silent to say anything? Perhaps, they are unaware of it being against the Constitution and Human Rights? Perhaps they are unenlightened of their right to challenge the law for being against the Constitution?

    This is not my subjective opinion you dipshit, this is the right of all persons in this country to the unrestricted right to marry, to not have to convert to marry and to maintain their freedom to their religion.

    And just because people wish to be bound by a discriminatory law doesn’t make it alright for such laws to exist. Don’t be fucking stupid. I care not for their subjective opinion, I only care for the objective opinion of the Constitution and Human Rights, which you clearly either do not understand or care not for.

    And look at it with logic for a change. Some Muslim dingbat wants to get married to a Non Muslim, let him do so la. If he only wants to get married to a Muslim, he can also do so. But why does a non Muslim have to convert? The whole thing has no fucking logic isn’t it? Why do I have to give up my beliefs? What if I meet a Muslim who doesn’t want me to convert, then what am I suppose to do? Have you thought about that scenario you Piscean ass sniffer?

    I believe you can’t understand this. Rather, you’re just naturally stupid to satisfy your inferiority complex. It is your lack of respect for the fundamental liberties of all peoples that will “divide the country up and make it into a segregated ghetto.”

  33. Ali Davidson,

    "You can’t use Islamic law to challenge Parliament or State made laws. Only a person who has never read or understood the law can make such a ridiculously stupid argument. "

    Firstly, I've never made such arguments. You gave a foul hypothetical Islamic law. How is challenging the validity of an Islamic law in Syariah court "using Islamic law to challenge Parliament or State made laws"?

    Secondly, constitutional rights are not absolute. How can your right to marry a Muslim prevail over their right to freedom of religion?

    "What an ignorant piece of shit you are! It doesn’t matter who the law affects, as long as it affects someone, we must stand up against it. It’s people like you that divide the country up and make it into a segregated ghetto. You worthless piece of trash!"

    Why do you want to stand up against Islamic laws which the Muslims have voluntarily submitted themselves to. Because you think that your subjective opinion prevails over the objective opinions of the Muslims?

    I will and have stood up against laws, whether it affects me or not, if it is made against the will of the group of people whom it is affected. But how is it relevant to standing up against an Islamic law when the Muslims themselves are willing to be bound by it?

    I don't believe you can't understand this. Rather, you're just deliberately twisting my words to satisfy your superiority complex. It is your lack of respect that will "divide the country up and make it into a segregated ghetto."

  34. Pisces,

    You still fail to see the point all together. Islamic law is of no relevance when the Constitution itself is the supreme law of the land. Islamic law can never trump the Constitution, it can never trump the fundamental liberties in the Constitution.

    You can't use Islamic law to challenge Parliament or State made laws. Only a person who has never read or understood the law can make such a ridiculously stupid argument.

    And you are perverting the essence of the restriction. Go and read the law, read the Constitution and read what the author has written. You still fail to understand the the restriction is applicable to me. If I want to marry a Muslim, I have to convert. It is a restriction on me exercising my right to marry. What part of that do you not understand? Whether it be religious or not, the legality of such a restriction can always be questioned and in this case, it is a restriction of my right to profess my religion.

    Also if you have exercised your brains, you'll realise these are all not Islamic law, this is enacted in a bloody State Legislative Assembly where even Non Muslims representatives are there to vote. There is nothing "Islamic law" about this.

    This is not an issue of Muslims non wanting to marry a Non Muslim, this is an issue of me having to change my long held beliefs to marry. It is an imposition of a Religion on me. It is discrimination.

    Of course, all of that doesn't really matter to me. What matters here to me here is the kind of disgusting mentality you have of washing your hands away just because you perceive the law not to affect you. What an ignorant piece of shit you are! It doesn't matter who the law affects, as long as it affects someone, we must stand up against it. It's people like you that divide the country up and make it into a segregated ghetto. You worthless piece of trash!

  35. Ali Davidson,

    It's a flawed analogy to draw similarity between the Jews in Nazi Germany and the Muslims in this country. The Jews never regulated to annihilate themselves, while the Muslims have historically regulated themselves in regards to issues on marriage. Hence, if the Muslims today think that the status quo no longer represent their ideology, they should be the one to change it.

    Indeed, it is your civil right to marry anyone. The law does not impose anything on you. It is the Muslims who had regulated themselves not to marry a non-Muslims. To put it crudely by way of analogy, you are trying to marry a Muslim who had made it clear that she does not want to marry you because she does not want to marry a non-Muslim. This has nothing to do with your civil right to marry whatsoever. The imposition is not even on you. The imposition is upon the Muslims who wanted to be regulated with such laws.

    If you still don't understand that you do not have locus on this issue, then ask yourself in regards to your foul hypothetical Islamic law. If one were to challenge the validity of that law by using their Quran and Syariah law, is it your interpretation as a non-Muslim or their interpretation that matters since it is a regulation upon themselves?

  36. Pisces,

    It is this kind of impersonality that gives way to discrimination and infringements of fundamental liberties to take place within the community. It is this very attitude that annihilated the Jews in Nazi Germany.

    "Well, I'm not a Jew, it doesn't concern me. If the Jews feel like they are being attacked then they should get an elected representative to voice their opinions for them".

    Screw you, you piscean water brained shit head!

    "Who are we to say?" – Your ignorance, apathy and indifference is sickening! You are a citizen of this country. You owe a duty to your fellow citizens to ensure that no infringement of rights take place among your fellow citizens! Wake the hell up! If you can't do so, please save yourself from embarrassment and shut the hell up.

    When an answer to a religious question has consequences in the civil law sphere, its legality falls to be examined. If the answer has consequences that are not permitted under the Constitution, the fact that it was taken for a religious purpose will not save it from the condition of illegality.

    You keep forgetting, religion should have nothing to do with me registering my marriage with someone else. Don't you not get that?! It is my civil right to marry and you cannot impose impediments on me, religion or otherwise!

    Go back and take the trouble to read what the author has written about the ICCPR and UDHR and if you can still insist that it's none of your business and that it shouldn't be any of my business, then you ought to just renounce your citizenship and go live in Somalia, where I'm sure you'd be sodomised by pirates upon your immediate arrival.

    Use your brains and think. If suppose there is a Islamic law enacted tomorrow that says all Muslims females must have their clitoris cut with a knife. Are you are just going to keep quiet and say, "well it's their religious law!"? If that's your answer well I must say what a bloody dick shit you are!

    1. "You keep forgetting, religion should have nothing to do with me registering my marriage with someone else. Don't you not get that?! It is my civil right to marry and you cannot impose impediments on me, religion or otherwise!"

      Yes, marriage is a contract, signed together with your partner on unification of two lives, regardless of their religion. However, Malaysia is not an open country, I presume you know this too well. We're not open to mixed marriage, gay marriage or anything that seems to be alien to us. We live as a group, and we have our own customs and beliefs, although distinctive but we understand each other.

      Yet as far as how society looks into it. Now we have problem. The society seems unlikely to allow the marriage, it's like freely allowing a Muslim to keep a dog. I, of course, dont have problem. But the society does. For example, I'm from a Muslim family, I would like to keep a dog which is not with the custom with Malay Muslims although it is permissible for Muslims in Pakistan and India. My family wouldn't like it, my society wouldn't like it. In the end it will be difficult for me to keep a dog although it is permissible in Islam (I know you don't care with religious law but faith is personal matter).

      Back to the case, a Muslim man who want to marry other faith like Christian for ex, will have resentment from the family and society. It is an abnormal thing for a Malaysian although it would not be a wrong act, moralistically.

      Please don't use foul words, although you have free will, because believe me, "shitheads" and "fuck u" ain't work for most human species, regardless of their race, belief, and nationality.

  37. Ali Davidson,

    "The very fact that the law says I must force myself to believe in Allah just so I can get married to a Muslims is religious persecution. "

    With all due respect, I think this statement is rather misleading. It is only a pre-condition the Muslims have set upon themselves. If a person chooses to get involved with a Muslim, he or she has to play by the rules.

    Just like the recent MPSJ decision to prohibit Muslim workers from working in shops that sell alcohol, we may have an opinion that it infringes their rights, but who are we to say how they should practise their religion?

    Legal implications aside, the Christians can choose to practise their scripture that tells them not to be unequally yoked with the unbelievers. If a non-Christian were to fall for a Christian, is it persecution that the former may have to convert in order to be with the latter?

    In other words, we have no locus to say how they should govern themselves religiously. Speaking of freedom of religion, it is their freedom as to how they would like to govern themselves. If the Muslim feels that such requirement is a hinder for them to marry a non-Muslim, it is their responsibility (and freedom) to elect a representative whose policy is in conformity with their ideology.

  38. mdz,

    Haven't got a clue what you're saying. Clearly, English isn't your main language.

    On your first post, let me reply. I am saying, no one should convert, people should be able to get married to each other without a need to change religion. That, my friend, is religious freedom.

    The very fact that the law says I must force myself to believe in Allah just so I can get married to a Muslims is religious persecution.

    On your second post, let me reiterate. We are talking about Malaysia here, where to get married to a Muslim would mean a non Muslim would have to convert. So yes, I can only attack Islam because we are talking about Malaysia.

    I have seen Buddhists getting married to Christians here in Malaysia. And Hindus getting married to Sikhs and even Baha'is getting married to Taoists. They might not necessarily have a religious marriage ceremony (though some still do) but at least they're allowed to register their marriage and keep their respective religion while living in peace and harmony with each other and with themselves.

    So I say once again, Muslims in this country, need to stop shoving Islam down the throats of others. In a planet of 7 billion people, 6 billion still haven't a regard a Islam and most couldn't even be bothere to give a crap about it!

    And if indeed I am an ignorant doofus then you have just proven yourself to be dimmer than a pile of goat shit, which I'm sure the Arabs are pretty fond of considering Goat Fornication is a past time in Saudi Arabia what with the hatred for women they actively cultivate there.

  39. "My simple point is this, I don’t give a crap what ‘Islam law’ says and I don’t think anyone should either. As far as I am concerned, I want to keep my beliefs and I don’t need to be told, required or forced to convert to Islam just to marry someone. I believe in the person I’m marrying, I don’t need to believe in the “God” of the person I’m marrying. "

    So, why you attack on islam only. hey. do you think that only islam practice that? you ignorant doofus!

  40. "Your entire argument is a load of shit. A convert B convert C convert F convert U convert C convert K convert U."

    you actually saying that. not me. oh yeah, you actually the one to be an ignorant doofus.

    "Hence I say, you need to stop shoving Islam down other people’s throat. Leave people alone."

    who are forcing that. thats why i am saying. TO BE A FOLLOWER OR NOT TO BE A FOLLOWER. You could decide that. Dont want to be, go away. dont teach other follower how to follow their own religion.

    give me a fact. tell us!

  41. mdz,

    That's where you show your bigotry and arrogance. This putrid idea that "Islam is greater than your beliefs that you must convert". What a fucking medieval mindset you have! No different from the witch burners in Salem.

    Hence I say, you need to stop shoving Islam down other people's throat. Leave people alone.

    My simple point is this, I don't give a crap what 'Islam law' says and I don't think anyone should either. As far as I am concerned, I want to keep my beliefs and I don't need to be told, required or forced to convert to Islam just to marry someone. I believe in the person I'm marrying, I don't need to believe in the "God" of the person I'm marrying.

    Hence I say, the law in Malaysia is discriminatory and promotes persecution against the religious beliefs of others and must be opposed.

    I don't believe in the simple black and white mentality of "The law says so, so just follow". If everyone thought like you, slavery will still be alive, racial segregation laws will still be around and women still won't be able to vote.

    When a law is promoting injustice, you stand up against it and call it for what it is; an unjust law that needs to be repealed!

    Your entire argument is a load of shit. A convert B convert C convert F convert U convert C convert K convert U.

    Why not just save all the hassle of converting and stay true to your beliefs? If they can do it in India and Singapore, no reason they can't do it in Malaysia!

  42. The main point is here.

    1. When you want to marry, it was really clear, you need to register, law is there. What is prohibits it directly is the religion. Eg: An Islamic people cannot marry his mom. It is true or not?

    – but, when an (A) people want to marry other (B) religion person, they have the ways to do that.

    a) (A) converts to (B) religion,

    b) (B) converts to (A) religion,

    c) (A) and (B) converts to (C) religion.

    That's actually the answer. If cannot apply this in Malaysia, so go to others country that can.

    Simple.

    2. Okay. you want to marry a muslim, and you are an atheist. Islam law prohibits that, so you cannot marry. if you could, as lina joy case, go on.

    when

    a) you (an atheist) dont want to convert, so, muslim convert.

    b) his (a muslim) dont want to convert, so, you (an atheist) convert.

    c) both converts to other religion.

    If you both dont want to do this, so, why marry?

  43. mdz,

    1. You have clearly showed yourself to be an ignorant doofus. So I'll just keep it simply and ask you a question in relation to marriage being a contract.

    So, why is there a legal requirement to register your marriage in every country in the world?

    2. On the second issue, that has been my main premise from the beginning. If suppose I was an atheist, why can't I remain an atheist and marry a Muslim? Why should I become a Muslim, by that I mean, why should I have to forgo my religious beliefs/thoughts/worldview just to marry someone who believes in Allah?

  44. You really describe yourself as a clean bull.

    "Marriage is no longer a religious rite. It is today a contract. This is why you have to register your marriage."

    How you define this actually, when people are bonded to religion. This is the most shit idea you got. Marriage => contract. Simple as that, but religion rules follows.

    When you dont obey religion rules, so why you did follow the 'religion". That's why it is ridiculous. Be a follower, then do not be a follower. HOW SHIT IS THAT RELIGION FOLLOWER!

    "Start believing in God?! Hahaha… get the fuck outta here!"

    So, what you want actually? If you dont want it, why do we care, go on to your ideas. That's why i say, you are atheist. An atheist don follow any religion AT ALL! Your ideas could only be true when an atheist marry an atheist!

  45. L.E,

    I guess you have your head shoved up your own ass to not see the kind of hatred and anti discriminatory laws that went on in places in Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.

    Take a look at what AgreetoDisagree said, I don't agree with him most times, but he's making a good point in reply to you.

    It is no argument to say my hypothetical scenario is stupid, it wasn't certainly stupid when after more than 30 years the Home Ministry issues a condition to tell Christians to remove the word 'Allah' from a publication sold within the confines in the church with the words "For Non Muslim only" plastered on it.

    Should that be respected? No. Keep your Islam to yourself and stop shoving it down other people's throats.

    Let people be who they want to be, to believe in what they want to believe. Laws can always be wrong, the Muslim marriage laws in Malaysia is wrong. And everyone should stand up against it. To require someone to convert just to love and be married is the dirtiest form of religious persecution.

    Rizz gyn,

    I have no clue what the hell you're saying. Either you write well in English or write well in Malay. Both of which you fail.

    Fact is, you have no point to add. You're just an over emotional cocksucker with no answers to give.

    mdz,

    This is where you show how unread and shit headed you are.

    Marriage is no longer a religious rite. It is today a contract. This is why you have to register your marriage.

    So, now the question is, what's wrong with a Muslim and a Buddhist registering their marriage? Nothing.

    India has been doing that since 1954, allowing people of different religions to marry.

    Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Marriage_Act

    People of different religions can marry each other without converting. Singapore has a similar law as well.

    How you intend to perform the religious aspect of your religion is your business. A Malay can be involved in a tea ceremony and a Chinese can be involved in an akad nikah. Those are primarily cultural.

    Likewise, let me ask you a simple question if you want to kick up a big fuss about this "Islamic rule – you listen to what the Muslims have to say" – why not you just ask Muslims to convert to the religion of the Non Muslims? Why doesn't it work that way?

    The fact is, your argument is premised entirely on unfairness and downright bigotry, arrogance and discrimination.

    You say I'm an atheist. Suppose I am and I also want to get married to a Muslim, what you expect me to do? Start believing in God?! Hahaha… get the fuck outta here!

    The world isn't complicated, its religious nutjobs like you who make it complicated!

    1. I salute your endless battle with idiots.

      Religion is RELIGION and should not be included in the laws of a country formed in 1957!!! MALAYSIA was formed with the UNITY of ALL RACES and not only MALAYS and MUSLIMS. It's 2011-2012 and ppl are still eating POLITICIANS' shit. You think your prime minister is a holy man, true in his ISLAMIC ways? May god have mercy on tiny brains … yeah .. all you with a load of shit in your mouths about wonderful MALAYSIAN ISLAM.

      I respect Islam as a religion … but MALAYSIAN ISLAM IS NOT TRUE ISLAM. Malaysian Islam has been engineered to profit some groups only.

      It is a sin to be unequally yoked in Christianity … BUT it is not against the country's law to marry a non-Christian.

      YOU SIN IN RELIGION ONLY!!!

    2. It is easy to say, but difficult to be done. Theory is easy to described, but reality will be difficult to be handled.

      Assume that truthfully, interfaith marriage is possible, even moralistically. Marriage happen between any member of different religions, say Islam and Buddhist, which are bounded by each own distinctive belief and moral law.

      It's clear that unless their belief regarding interfaith marriage is allowable in the society/religion they live in, they can't live the life easily.

      You are making an assertion like this country is one like in the West, or United States. Unless law in secular constitution is enforced by the whole nation, in this case, interfaith marriage, only then interfaith marriage like between any different group can be done normally. Believe me, world is really complicated.

  46. To Ali Davidson.

    How you can marry a person with half to half basis.

    are you stupid?

    Any religion also have their own rule, not just Islamic people but others people too. Can or cannot marry, must rule on their own religion.

    When you are not a proficient people to talk about ISLAMIC rule, you cannot easily talk about ISLAMIC rule. When you put on your statement, you judge based on your mental ideas but on in religion basis.

    That's why is said it bullshit.

    You attack it on Islam, but think other religion too. other religion also the same. Because, religion is really a lifestyle. People are bonded with rules.

    Maybe you are an atheist, but dont think you idea could go easily as you think. world are not make as you think. world works in complicated ways.

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